AFRA get ANOTHER 251

[ThomasStewart]

A member of AFRA has just purchased an OT810, for those of you who do not know what this is; an OT810 is a Czech variant of a German 251 halftrack. AFRA already has one OT810 almost completely refurbished back to its 251 origins, whilst this latest halftrack should be completed in the coming months. This will be a great addition to the group and give AFRA the ability to be the only group (as far as i know) in the uk able to field 2 halftracks. :cool:

Our website is: www.AFRA.org.uk (http://www.AFRA.org.uk)

[DavidUpton]

Nice, I have always been a fan of the 251. ;)

I look forward to seeing you guys next week.

[xtc-alec]

Damn sani you lucky son of a gun!

[enigma]

:) So you's are the Only British Mechanised Re-enactors group.

How many people can fit in one of those?

[DavidUpton]

You sure it's the OT 10?

[ThomasStewart]

Roughly 8 men a vehicle. Which compliments a PAK40, two motorcycle combis, a Schwimwagon and a kubelwagon in use by the group.:cool:

I edited my first post because its not an OT10 its an OT810 :o

[DavidUpton]

It amazes me how you manage to pay to keep all those...

[ThomasStewart]

:)

[ThomasStewart]

Damn sani you lucky son of a gun!

Yes I am lucky that I am apart of such a succesful re-enactment group. ;) No walt insults for us then. :D

[enigma]

Roughly 8 men a vehicle. Which compliments a PAK40, two motorcycle combis, a Schwimwagon and a kubelwagon in use by the group.:cool:

I edited my first post because its not an OT10 its an OT810 :o

Does that include the dude driving?

So is it just one of the guys in the back which would operate the mg on top?

[DavidUpton]

I assume so.

Then again, my only evidence come from Panzers: Phase One/Two where the MG on the halftrack would only work when you had a squad in it. I need to stop trusting games as an accurate source of information. :p

[Sgt So and So]

I assume so.

Then again, my only evidence come from Panzers: Phase One/Two where the MG on the halftrack would only work when you had a squad in it. I need to stop trusting games as an accurate source of information. :p
Well, I passed my WW2 history test by playing Panzers Phase 2, CoD2, Red Orchestra, and Axis and Allies non-stop for week, so I think you'll be fine.
Sani, you lucky dog! Hop on that MG and gun down some nerds for me!:D

[xtc-alec]

In my reenactment group we have a kubelwagon (awwwww yeah)

And a half track (sept its messed up at the moment :( )

And a Yank APC with a super awesome 30 cal on top, Gas powered

Next event i am attending is in the snow, my first event were i get to fire a k98 :D

Ill be sure to put up alot of photos!

[ThomasStewart]

Roughly 8 people including the driver.

Good luck young Alec ;)

[enigma]

am not really up tp speed on panzergrenadier tactics, was the driver part of the squad?
Would he dismount and fight with the rest or drive off somewhere while the other 6-7 got there hands dirty?

[ThomasStewart]

am not really up tp speed on panzergrenadier tactics, was the driver part of the squad?
Would he dismount and fight with the rest or drive off somewhere while the other 6-7 got there hands dirty?

Depends upon what role and situation the unit was in. If the driver was attached to the panzergrenadier kompanie from say a tank unit then he would stick solely with the halftrack and was not technically apart of the zug....if he was apart of the panzergrenadier kompanie as a fahner then he could be both in and out of the halftrack.

Usually halftracks were employed to keep the infantry up to speed with the tanks, they would lag just behind the tanks and then once an enemy infantry force was engaged the tanks would cover the advance of the halftracks. Once the halftracks had driven 100-200 meters infront of the enemy, they would de-bus the grenadiers. The grenadiers would then proceed under covering fire from 2 tanks and possibly the halftracks MG, whilst the remaining tanks advanced. Bearing in mind that this is an ideal kompanie of motorised panzergrenadiers followed up by an ideal squadron of tanks. As taken from their tactical doctrin.

[rAstha]

Oh look! Its Sani! And he's a jerry!

http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10014/normal_6.jpg

Cool uniform mate!

[ThomasStewart]

You mean youve only just worked that out rAstha? ;)

[DavidUpton]

haha... :D

[rAstha]

You mean youve only just worked that out rAstha? ;)

Heey, dont look at me, I know you did reenactment but you never said you looked that stupid in an uniform! :p haha
just kidding mate, that group of yours look really interesting, if I lived in the UK I'd probably get more involved... when I'm 18 that is :p

[ThomasStewart]

Hehe. Well, I was knackered at that point. The image was taken at 6am in the morning, I had been on watch from 11 till 4am because we got bumped in the night....I got my head down for 30 minutes at 4am before being woken up and then at 5am woke the other guys up so they could go draw weapons from the armourer....

At the end of the day, I'm not surprised I look dosey in that picture. ;)

[DarkCanuck]

sounds like fun. not too much of that going on here in toronto though.

[DavidUpton]

Move to the UK then. :p

I used to think that there was barely any reenactment in the UK, but then I did some research and now I can see that it is a very popular hobby over here.

[Hamilkar]

DarkCanuck Im a WW2 airsofter, and Im from Toronto.

By any chance are you on ASC?



http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Blut%20und%20Ehre/outside.jpg

[xtc-alec]

oooooo i gotta get a picture of me with my russian "pal" :p

EDIT: here it is http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/xtc-alec/c12e.jpg

[Dolman]

Yo
I drive said half track Sani talks about
http://www.afra.org.uk/upload/PDImages/Doodles/gogglesoff.jpg

Here is the one we are about to convert
http://panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/normal_grinding.jpg

and here's one we have nearly finished converting
http://panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/normal_DSCF0027.JPG

The halftrack usually holds a crew of 10.
A driver/Commander. A co Driver/radio op/Front MG gunner.
In the back, a Squad leader, a Squad 2 IC, 4 riflemen and 2 MG gunners. One of the MG gunners mounted his MG at the rear of the track when in motion.....
Driver does what it says on the tin
Co Driver mans comms, navigates and when the Infantry debus, he mans the Bow MG to give cover fire.
Seating for the squad was
Leader behind Driver (on left) Next to him two riflemen next to them MG gunner (next to rear door.
Opposite Leader (behind co driver) - Assistant Squad leader, then two riflemen and last another MG gunner
When debussing the MG gunners are first out and deploy to give Cover fire to the rest of the squad. Usually the squad halves debus to either side of the vehicle and link up with the crews from other tracks to form a line......

Normally the tracks would stop some 500m from the action and would be working in close support of tanks. Debussing means the Grenadiers advance to contact under cover fire from a bank of tracks as well as tanks.
Tracks worked in fours.
a 250 would be the command vehicle (sometimes replaced with a 251)
251 containing Squad A
251 containing Squad B
251 containing Squad C
If you want any more info just ask..... I drop in from time to time :D

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Wow, that was a useful bit of info, and I like the pictures!:)

[enigma]

Dolman, thanks for the info.

So there would not be cases of the HTs getting in real close to basically drop the squad off on the doorstep of the enemy?

[ThomasStewart]

Dolman, thanks for the info.

So there would not be cases of the HTs getting in real close to basically drop the squad off on the doorstep of the enemy?

The tactical doctrins changed throughout the war, the mannual I quoted was 100-200 meters, but as Dolman says, 500 meters was also a de-bussing point - a far safer one for the HT itself.

[ThomasStewart]

I have copied this over from AFRAs forum. Originally posted by Dolman.

This weekend we went to the barn again.
The Krieger Brothers had fun along with Herr Fleishmann and myself getting the halbkette running. von Maur came along too to offer technical support.....
The starter motor was the problem but after several hours trying different tactics and putting theories into practise... Dollman pushed the button and she roared into life.
It was time then for Krieger Snr. to get behind the wheel and take her down the lane.....
http://panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/proudowner.jpg
He quickly found out that there was a certain skill involved with a crash box and the heavy steering of the 9 tonne beast.....
http://panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/1stdrive.jpg
But he was quickly underway and getting the hang of it

We also took the newly painted Kubel out for a spin and after consulting Frau Fleishmann, she will (the Kubel that is!) be painted on Monday in a nice three colour Normandy Scheme.... But here she is beautifully resprayed in Ordnance Tan by Herr Forster
http://panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/kubesprayed.jpg
We also got the weapons out which we will be mounting on the halftracks etc. Old Wehrmacht saying - "You can NEVER have enough MG42s....."
http://panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10007/mg42s.jpg
Sunday saw The Kriegers back at work on the halftrack getting it ready for Forster to blow over with a coat of Ordnance Tan in preparation for Beltring..... She'll still be an OT810 but when the season closes work can start in earnest to convert her to the same spec as the other one.... which by the way should also emerge in a nice 3 colour scheme. We're always busy in Der Windhund..... and we now have more seats for members in our ever growing and changing collection of vehicles......
If you are reading this forum and not in a group but you fancy it..... look us up. If you fancy a change of direction and are looking for more activity, more shows, more variety and something to do OUT of uniform as well as in it..... click the banner in my signature.....

[enigma]

so whats the diff between an OT810 and the German HT?

[ThomasStewart]

OT810's have view ports and top down hatches....an AA ring mount, comfy seats and other minute details.

[enigma]

lol comfy seats ... so the Germans went into battle with sore asses?

[ThomasStewart]

Well, late war the magority of halftracks had wooden benches. It saved on leather etc. And I suppose it gave people the added incentive to get out of the vehicle. ;)

[enigma]

no wonder they lost the war!

jumping outter halftracks and shuffling around legs wide apart ... sore asses and some even with splinters ... eww lets not go there .... :p

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Aww dude, will you (Sani) and Holman be at Beltring with your outfit, and be participating in the re-enactment?? I hope I can make it this year, but I doubt I can, thanks to crappy Duke of Edinburgh award scheme... If you are being in the re-enactment, will you be there for the whole 3(?) days??? :D

[ThomasStewart]

Yes Dolman, myself and the rest of the gang will be at Beltring with the two halftracks too ;) Dolman usually goes for a week, I will be celebrating my 18th birthday at the show and shall be down on the Monday or Tuesday before its open to the public.

[enigma]

When is Beltring? Where is it lol and is it held every year ... sounds intresting.

[DavidUpton]

Which event is Beltring? That isn't the Victory Show is it?

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Its the War and Peace show
Link: http://www.thewarandpeaceshow.com/

Its awesome, you should check it out. Sani, if you were there with your halftrack like 2 years ago, i might have a pic of it :D

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

This might be it... http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010145.jpg

[ThomasStewart]

Its not my halftrack mate ;) And neither is the one in the photo. That looks like the SBG's (1st SS LAH). Nope, 2 years ago I was with KP1 doing 12thSS, I then came back home to doing 116th Panzer Division - Der Windhund.

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Ahhh... well... I meant 'your' in the broadest sence of the word, meaning AFRA's halftrack, and seeing as how you are associated wit AFRA, i deemed it appropriate to use the term 'your' ;) Well... its still a nice Halftrack, methinks :D Ahh, you were doing the 12th SS before, sounds good :)

[ThomasStewart]

Beltring 2006

AFRA's two halftracks in action.

Herr Dolman:

http://forum.axishistory.com/files/pdchats_138.jpg


http://forum.axishistory.com/files/front6boys_148.jpghttp://forum.axishistory.com/files/twotracks_100.jpghttp://forum.axishistory.com/files/dsc_1343_mark640_295.jpghttp://forum.axishistory.com/files/backtrackmg_607.jpg

[ThomasStewart]

The three musketeers, Krieger, Sani and Dolman
http://forum.axishistory.com/files/carltompd2_268.jpg

[enigma]

cool pics :)

Is that also you, under the MG on the 3rd pic in your first post?


Edit: Curious, and in no way do i mean to offend yourself or your comrades,
In the pic with the guys in the HT, seems that most dont wear the same uniform, is this historical?

[ThomasStewart]

Yep.:)

[ThomasStewart]

http://www.afra.org.uk/upload/Paulyfolder/pics/beltring%202006/beltring2006008_edited-1.jpg

http://www.afra.org.uk/upload/Paulyfolder/pics/beltring%202006/beltring2006019_edited-1.jpg

http://gallery.smartservertwo.co.uk/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=5155&g2_serialNumber=1

http://gallery.smartservertwo.co.uk/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3593&g2_serialNumber=1

http://gallery.smartservertwo.co.uk/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3576&g2_serialNumber=1

[enigma]

Yep.:)
Is that a double or single yea? :p

The HT without an MG on, is that cammo netting on the back?

[ThomasStewart]

Yes - to help disguise the fact that she is not yet a sdkfz251 but an OT810.

[DavidUpton]

Sweeet pictures. Hope you have those halftracks at the victory show. ;)

[ThomasStewart]

Yep, and more!:cool:

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

So that was your convoy with all of the HT's and Motorcycles!!!
I must say it looked very impressive, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it!
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010085.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010086.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010091.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010092.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010097.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010098.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010099.jpg
:D

Edit, to show how varying the uniforms can be, yet still be historically accurate ;)
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/Beltring/P1010033.jpg

[enigma]

2 questions,

1 - we got a name for the funky pants the dude, 3rd in, is wearing (in between the dude in field gray and the guy with the spot camo) and what sort of units wore them?

2 - How many people are in AFRA?


Edit: are they not mostly W-SS uniforms?

[ThomasStewart]

The picture above is NOT AFRA, it is of a re-enactment group called "Kompanie 1" who do 12thSS re-enactment (yes I know they are abit old for 12thSS ;) ) EDIT: AFRA are in the halftracks in the background though, and the funky trousers are made with Italian camoflage - post war but similar to wartime camo. Mainly used by 1st SS and 12thSS but was used with Heer units too.

Mort - cheers for the pictures of our halftracks, you should have popped by and introduced yourself. The motorbikes were apart of the SBG - second battle group who portray 1st SS Liebstandarte Adolph Hitler. AFRA has within its ranks:

20 odd members of which certain members can field:
two motorbike combis
Schwimmwagon
two Kubelwagons
Pak40 anti-tank gun
1 converted OT810 to SDKFZ251
1 half converted OT810 to SDKFZ251

We regularly get to have a play around on panzers and we do a sideline in medical troops. :)

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Ahh Sani, I didn't know you were the people in those halftracks. I just had a look round after it chucked it down on the Saturday. Did you have any information on display saying who you were representing, if so, I must have missed it. I was just thinking how good it all looked at the time. Were most, if not all, of the things in AFRA at Beltring? I must say, it did all look spectacular. Next time I go to a re-enactment thing that you are going to, I might have to pop over and introduce myself :D

[enigma]

How often is this Beltring event?

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Well, it is on every year, for 5 days. I will post a link to it, but trust me, its an amazing event. http://www.thewarandpeaceshow.com/

[enigma]

think ill make a visit next year, looks great! :)

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Cool, I hope I can make it next year, cos then I might finally get the parts of a brit uniform I need.

[ThomasStewart]

Its the 25th Aniversery of the War and Peace show Beltring next year. Should be a good'en.

The next nearest show to Cambridgeshire is in September at Cosby's 'The victory show' in Leicestershire. It is probably the best WW2 public re-enactment battle in the country (Beltrings battle is kids play in comparison) and was televised on regional news last year.

[enigma]

Is this 'Victory Show' also held yearly?

[ThomasStewart]

It was the first time this event had been run last year, this year will be the second time running...so I guess you could call it yearly.

[enigma]

Some dates in my diary for next year :D

:( wont be able to go this year

Seems like that and Beltring will be great to go to.

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Wow!! When is it?? Is there a website? If so, could you post a link please? Have you been to this show then? Are you going to be re-enacting there? Wow... So many questions :D

[ThomasStewart]

-R!G4M0RT!Z']Wow!! When is it?? Is there a website? If so, could you post a link please? Have you been to this show then? Are you going to be re-enacting there? Wow... So many questions :D

September 8th 2006
Yes - http://www.victoryshow.co.uk/
Yes
Yes

[ThomasStewart]

Depending upon whether I get my apprenticeship or not, and when it starts, I may or may not be there.

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Hehe, well that is a date I shall have to put in my diary, it looks good from the previous years pics. It says its done over 60 acres, isn't that like, massive!? Is this show more about the re-enacting than the trading? Because at Beltring it feals as if it is more about the trading, cos people occasionally tend to miss some of the re-enactment at Beltring. I have never actually seen a proper British re-enactment group in action, its always Americans and Germans. So, it should be good to see. If I don't go this year, I'll definately try to next year :)
Ahh well I hope you go, cos it looks good, and you make it sound good the way you describe it :D

I just checked out the galleries on AFRA's website, and looked at Victory show '05, and yea the re-enactment looks good

[enigma]

Depending upon whether I get my apprenticeship or not, and when it starts, I may or may not be there.
Whats the apprenticeship you going for?
(yes i am nosey but hey am bored the office :( )


Edit: aye it will great if i can get to these events next year ... so long doing ww2 history, seeing photos etc ... but good to be finally able to see the real thing.

So the places are open to 'tourists' to come and watch the reinactors and there equipment, it stated on the beltring site thats there stalls up selling stuff, is there anything else available at these events for the spectators ... other then being blown away! ?

[ThomasStewart]

The apprenticeship is to become a service fitter - mechanic. At the moment I have two choices depending upon grades, university or no university. I have an interest for vehicle mechanics and the motivation for university is VERY slim - especially as archaeology and herritage studies is about the most exciting thing I can think of.

Either way I still get to write my book.

Back to Beltring:

Yes Beltring for many re-enactors is about the stalls, its AFRA's chillout. Whilst most people are busy setting up aswomse looking displays, building movie-set type displays which have to be errected and then burned once the show finishes, AFRA set-up a basic but still above average display and chill. We go swimming, drink beer and meet friends in the evening and at night some of us head off to the beer tent or portable cinema.

Victory show is one of our most involved events, we spend time guarding/displaying the vehicles in an appropriate manner (WW2 style display), educating the public whilst at the same time you can see members busily setting up the battlefield and laying pyrotechnics. Victory show is a premier event, and the Saterday night meal and 1940's dance is terrific.
Other attractions non-ww2 are the MVT - Military Vehicle Association, the Territorial army, various stalls selling all kinds of historical and non historical items and various fly pasts. The show also bosts battle fly-pasts by various low-flying ww2 aircraft and a last year a straffing run was performed much to the delight of the crowd.

Certainly not one to miss.

[DavidUpton]

Sounds great. I should hopefully be going on the Sunday. Hope you will be there Tom.

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

On the Sunday this year, David?

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

So, Sani, what halftrack is what??
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/Beltring/ac97cf3c.jpg
Is this a Sdkfz. 250??

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010092.jpg
Is this a Sdkfz. 251??

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/Beltring/P1010093.jpg
Is this an OT810??

I am just curious, because I lack any knowledge on this particular subject.

[enigma]

Think you got it spot on.

To be picky, i belive that it would be wrote as Sdkfz 250/1 and the 251/1

Not too sure on this but it would seem the number which comes next indicates it use etc mortar carrier, armed with a 75mm etc etc In this case troop carriers.
Any chance you can confirm this Sani?

Btw is there a differance between have Sdkfz and SPW in front of the numbers?

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Ahh ok. And yea, I think the number after the vehicle type does indicate what armament/use it has. What does SPW stand for?? I know that SdKfz stands for Sonderkraftfahrzeug (special purpose vehicle), but can't think what SPW stands for

[enigma]

special purpose Wehicle?


Edit found it:
Schützen Panzer Wagen

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

special purpose Wehicle?
Haha, yea, I thought that, once I had typed it in, but thought 'surely it cant be' :D


Edit found it:
Schützen Panzer Wagen
Ahh cool, thanks, so basically a vehicle with a gun :D Could SPW be applied to more than just Halftracks then??

[ThomasStewart]

-R!G4M0RT!Z']So, Sani, what halftrack is what??
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/Beltring/ac97cf3c.jpg
Is this a Sdkfz. 250??

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/P1010092.jpg
Is this a Sdkfz. 251??

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f148/rigamortiz/Beltring/P1010093.jpg
Is this an OT810??

I am just curious, because I lack any knowledge on this particular subject.

The first one is indeed a 250

The second one is an OT810 converted to look like a 251/1

The third one is an OT810

The /n.o. after 251 indicates the variant of halftrack. For example the 251/7 I believe is the bridging variant. However there was some overlaping of the variant designations for example the 251/1 series was also the same designation for the rocket launcher varient amongst others.

[enigma]

Thanks Sani! :D

[DavidUpton]

-R!G4M0RT!Z']On the Sunday this year, David?

Yup. Should be the Sunday, if not then the Saturday.

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Yea, thanks for all the clarification Sani! :)
Ahh cool David, I will see if I can make it on one of the days.

[ThomasStewart]

Another image of two AFRA members firring the Panzershreck. Karl - Left and Myself - Right.

http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10061/PanzershreckB%26W.jpg

[ThomasStewart]

And a video:

http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2

[sid]

September 8th 2006
Yes - http://www.victoryshow.co.uk/

That looks like it would be good to go to and it's not all that far away from me.

[enigma]

And a video:

http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2
Where did you guys film that?

[ThomasStewart]

Where did you guys film that?

Manchester City Center.....with Granada television. Its shots taken off the Documentary "Stalingrad".

[enigma]

Manchester City Center.....with Granada television. Its shots taken off the Documentary "Stalingrad".
I mean its been a few years since ive been there but i didnt realise that manchester city centre looked that bad! :p

[ThomasStewart]

I mean its been a few years since ive been there but i didnt realise that manchester city centre looked that bad! :p

:) Dunlop factory was being demolished.

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Wow, thats a really good video Sani. And the picture of the panzerfaust looks good. I think the video looks really authentic! I like it.

[ThomasStewart]

Cheers guys.:cool:

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Sani, where was this taken??
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=202
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=197

Was it at Bovington Tank Museum?? Because I am sure that is the Tiger from there. I really need to go there one day. Was this at the Tank fest thing, earlier this year??

[ThomasStewart]

-R!G4M0RT!Z']Sani, where was this taken??
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=202
http://www.panzergrenadier.net/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=197

Was it at Bovington Tank Museum?? Because I am sure that is the Tiger from there. I really need to go there one day. Was this at the Tank fest thing, earlier this year??

Yes the shots were taken at tankfest this year. AFRA were lucky enough to be requested for a photo shoot upon the museums TWO Tiger II's, its Panther, its Panzer IV and various other vehilces. I shall post some more images up later. :)

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Ooh, please do! That sounds amazing! I'd love to go back to Bovington, because last time I went, I was about 13, and only had disposable cameras, and basically NONE of the shots developed properly! I was so annoyed, because it had so many amazing displays there, and I had like 2 films worth! I mean, I loved the Tiger, the Jagdtiger, the Panther and the Konigstiger! Also, the WW1 displays were immense! I had never seen a WW1 tank in the flesh (so to speak) before then.