Hearts of Iron II

[Blame Canada]

HOI2 is a great game but back on topic guys.

... we should probably make a HOI2 topic in the general dicussion area ...

This is hereby done... I think it would be nice to know how many people here actually play Hearts of Iron II (be it the vanilla or Doomsday version)

Personally I've played the game since it was released. In fact I've been a fan of most games made by Paradox Interactive since I first tried Europa Universalis I some years ago. During the last years it's been mostly Europa Universalis II, Hearts of Iron II, Crusader Kings and Victoria.

[enigma]

Have both, although i havnt played much of Doomsday ... still fighting the good fight ... a 6 month long campaign so far as the UK agaisnt Facisits of the world.

couple of pics to show my sit:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/Enigma_MCMXC/aar%20pics/aar21.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/Enigma_MCMXC/aar%20pics/AAR15.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/Enigma_MCMXC/aar%20pics/aar14.jpg

the top pic is recent, the last 2 are from about 4 ingame months back.
Northern Norway has now been invaded ... 4 years ive kept that place safe and it finally gets invaded :(
(when Finland was at war with us, the Norwegians at one point invaded and marched half the way to Helsinki before it all went boobs up)
Russia have been pushed back some more and have lost the bit near Norway.

Am at war with Vichy, curretnly facing Vichy is the 14th Army ... 4 corps, to there south is 11 divisions from the Computer controlled New Zealand and South Africa ... computer finally decided to help me out lol.

On the other side of Italy the British 8th Army again 4 corps backed up by the Canadian 1st army (around 4 corps) and backed up by several British marine divisions (5 iirc)

No one can make a breakthrough there ... stalemate :(

In the UK i have 2 armies - 12 divisions each iirc and a HQ with another Army being formed.

My main obbession with this campaign is to have a larger navy then anyone else lol. i duuno some form of cyber-national pride.

i have an AAr on the paradox boards which has more info this post (theres around 3,700 views (and counting) and around the 130 mark post wise)... shows the back and forth fighting of the desert ... the fight for the balkans ... the retreat from france etc.
Its mainly just dates and whats happened and none of this speach thing i see with many ie people creating an entire parilment speach or detailing the charge of a tank through the desert etc ... am just not that much of a write

lots of pics lol :)
link (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212702)
(first post is mainly writing)

[Blame Canada]

Nice to see AI Germany actually beating the crap out of Russia... That almost never happens.

[enigma]

hopefully when i lauch my 'Overlord' the Ost Front will collaspe as Germans send troops my way.

Sorta happened last time i played as the UK, i landed in France, the German army was hardly anywhere to be seen but did keep poping up everywhere, soon advancing on a wde front i encircled Berlin, took Austria, Czechoslovakia ... took Poland and literally met the Russians on there Pre War borders lol ... a few minor province switches and a few liberations later Europe was back its pre war self hehe

[McCoy [1st RB]]

What is this game? I'm intrested to learn about it

[enigma]

Tis a Strategy game, pick a country .... build an army and fight the good fight.

[McCoy [1st RB]]

wow sounds cool, anyplace i could buy it or is it free?

[enigma]

have to pay ;)

link (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000CS4J5W/qid=1150068669/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-2776145-7234056)


although i would suggest playing the demo first
(athough i cant seem to find it atm)

may wanna have a look on the forums to get an idea of the game, have a look at some of the AAR etc
link (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=255)

[McCoy [1st RB]]

thanks mate , )

[Blame Canada]

:D Just found this old pic...

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/971/albumpicphp8oa.jpg

Poland's revenge :D

[lazlazlaz1]

haha, nice

[McCoy [1st RB]]

hey, is this game kindof like risk?

[Blame Canada]

']hey, is this game kindof like risk?

The look of it is, but it's much, much more detailed. I can't even start to describe how much more :D ... You basicly take control of any country in the world during WWII (from 1936-1948 in vanilla HOI2 and until the 50's with the Doomsday version). You then control the economy, diplomacy, industry, technological research and military of that country (be it Germany or Costa Rica, you decide).

[sid]

Is the normal one better than the doomsday one?

[enigma]

Doomsday, comes with the orginal, is patched and has loads of new features.


nice Poland pic however even more impressive was the Luxembourg AAR i was reading and happened to also play a phycotic druken general in ... the writer was adding in the guys who where regularing his aar.
It was comic brillance ... anyhoo ... luxy had control of all of europe iirc and started war on Russian before he got bored.

[sid]

Just bought Doomsday because it was the only one I could find in stock.

[McCoy [1st RB]]

The look of it is, but it's much, much more detailed. I can't even start to describe how much more :D ... You basicly take control of any country in the world during WWII (from 1936-1948 in vanilla HOI2 and until the 50's with the Doomsday version). You then control the economy, diplomacy, industry, technological research and military of that country (be it Germany or Costa Rica, you decide).


So like an awesomness blend of civilization and risk lol

[McCoy [1st RB]]

The look of it is, but it's much, much more detailed. I can't even start to describe how much more :D ... You basicly take control of any country in the world during WWII (from 1936-1948 in vanilla HOI2 and until the 50's with the Doomsday version). You then control the economy, diplomacy, industry, technological research and military of that country (be it Germany or Costa Rica, you decide).


So like an awesomness blend of civilization and risk lol

[Blame Canada]

']So like an awesomness blend of civilization and risk lol

Without having ever played Civilization but only knowing it from friends, I'm inclined to say yes, but I can't be sure ;)

[Wubbles]

Its pretty hardcore.

I decided to play as France and gear up for war, pre emptive strike in the early 1940s i believe, and i took over a good part of germany, then i quit.

That started about 7 hours ago, good game.

[McCoy [1st RB]]

alright so my quesiton is, to countries have powers that make them more desirable than others. E.G. america has paratroopers, vs japenese militia. The obvious choice is paratroopers because the japenese militia blowz nuts compared to the pathfinders.)

I dont mean anything racial by this, just an example

[Blame Canada]

']alright so my quesiton is, to countries have powers that make them more desirable than others. E.G. america has paratroopers, vs japenese militia. The obvious choice is paratroopers because the japenese militia blowz nuts compared to the pathfinders.)

I dont mean anything racial by this, just an example

There are no country specific units (though some mods have them). You can develop different kind of unittypes at different levels. Like ordinary infantry, Mountain infantry, Marines, Paratroopers, Motorized infantry, Mecanized Infantry, Light Tanks, Medium Tanks, Intercepter Fighters, Fighters, Light bombers, Tactical bombers, Strategic bombers and many many many more. Besides this you can develop and build different brigades which you can add to you divisions (the division is the main unitsize used in the game, and these can be formed into corps' of your chosing). The strength, quality and morale of each division type is also affected by the doctrines you have researched. You can therefore not expect level 1939 French infantry to be exactly the same as 1939 German infantry as they will most possibly have taken different paths in doctrine research.

Besides this the battles are affected by the terrain, weather, attack directions and generals that are in command, which gives you a very realistic fight simulation.

Edit: as for your question as well. Each country has historical generals, ministers and tech teams who each have special traits. Besides this there are of course differences in what they produce. You will run into trouble if you don't manage to get some oil as Germany (either by conquest or trade) as they do not produce enough themself. And you will lack other resources as other powers unless you get them from others.

I the Doomsday version of the game (which also includes the vanilla version) they have added an intelligence part of the game which gives you the possibility to steal blueprints from your enemies, spy on them or try to stop them from spying on you. You can also try to sabotage their industry or production of military forces. You can make smear campaigns or propaganda along with many other things.

Edit 2: Man, I love this game :D

[enigma]

Also note dont expect a single German division armed with Panters to mop the floor with the British equivelent ... armoured divisions armed with Comets

Divisions, of the same tech level minus doctrine and leader bonuses are all the same.

A guy said to picture it as a division made up of like 100 panthers to a division of 200 comets ... etc

[Blame Canada]

Also note dont expect a single German division armed with Panters to mop the floor with the British equivelent ... armoured divisions armed with Comets

Divisions, of the same tech level minus doctrine and leader bonuses are all the same.

A guy said to picture it as a division made up of like 100 panthers to a division of 200 comets ... etc

And then you'd also have to count in terrain and the defence/attack bonuses that it gives along with the weather.

[Rapishorrid]

This game sounds awesome.

I think I'm going to get Doomsday pretty soon. I was reading up on it and it seems like a cool kind of game. I'm thinking that once I get the hang of it and if my friend got it and got used to it we could 1v1 eachother through Hamachi. Is this possible? I don't know much about HoI multiplayer, but with Doomsday would we be able to play against eachother?

[McCoy [1st RB]]

cant wait to get a lil cash money money...

buy my mic and soma this schweetness!

[EvilHobo]

I believe units can also be affected experience wise the moment they are created based on how close you are to Standing Army, and experience decreases as you go toward the right (what is that, Drafted Army? I forget.) So for instance as Germany if you went to Standing Army you'd have more experienced troops when they're deployed, although I don't know what negatives the gearing bonus has.

And it is possible to do multiplayer with HOI2. You just need to jump through a few flaming hoops before anything works right.

[enigma]

There is mulitplayer, i remember reading portions of a massive multiplayer game.

A load of guys taking most of the worlds main countries at the time if am not mistaken but it was taken them a long time to get anywhere.



I believe units can also be affected experience wise the moment they are created based on how close you are to Standing Army, and experience decreases as you go toward the right (what is that, Drafted Army? I forget.) So for instance as Germany if you went to Standing Army you'd have more experienced troops when they're deployed, although I don't know what negatives the gearing bonus has.

dont believe they have any efffect on exp, thats gained through combat.

this chart off the hoi2 wikiw shows the standing army - drafted army bonuses etc

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Manpower XP +20% +15% +10% +5% N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Gearing -10% -8% -6% -4% -2% +2% +4% +6% +8% +10%
OrgBonus +10% +8% +6% +4% +2% -2% -4% -6% -8% -10%
Upgr Time/Cost +10% +20% +30% +40% +50% +60% +70% +80% +90% +100%

edit: wonderfully the forum moves everything around lol, heres the link as well:link (http://hoi2.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Domestic_Policy_FAQ#Standing_Army_-_Drafted_Army)

should note, this game can take quite along time to get through, my current campaing - 4 years of war and 3 years of war lol 1936-1943 has taken the last 6 months to play though.

[Blame Canada]

There is a multiplayer option in the game. I've often played with my friends, and as long as you're willing to take the time it demands it's good. But don't expect it to go fast, as everyone has something to do. Especially if you are the USA and waiting to get into the war :D

[Rapishorrid]

What two countries would you reccomend playing as if my friend and I want to be going directly against eachother? I just got the game and haven't tried it out yet, look forward too though!:D

[Blame Canada]

What two countries would you reccomend playing as if my friend and I want to be going directly against eachother? I just got the game and haven't tried it out yet, look forward too though!:D

First I would get used to the game before playing MP. But there are a lot of possibilites. Germany vs England or France or USSR. Japan vs. Nationalist China, USA or England. Nationalist China vs Communist China. Brazil vs. Argentina. Italy vs. England. Finland vs. USSR... there are endless possibilities, these are just some of the more historical ones

[King ragnar]

I love the game but just find it extremely hard, the learning curve is huge, but i have to say my favourite Country is Japan :D, i love destroying all the Chinese faction fighting with eachother.:p

[sid]

What does DOW mean. I was reading the forums and people say it alot.

[McCoy [1st RB]]

I love the game but just find it extremely hard, the learning curve is huge, but i have to say my favourite Country is Japan :D, i love destroying all the Chinese faction fighting with eachother.:p
im japenese, and this game is sick btw thanks for pointing it out everyone

[enigma]

']im japenese, and this game is sick btw thanks for pointing it out everyone
ok is that a good or a bad thing :confused:


What does DOW mean. I was reading the forums and people say it alot.

Declaration of War :)

[Blame Canada]

I've just started an AAR with Denmark in the 1939 scenario... I wonder how long I can stay alive :D
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251120

[McCoy [1st RB]]

being japenese is schweet, well 1/2 and 1/2, from the waiste up i joke my friends....

[sid]

How do you trade techs or blueprints?

[enigma]

click dipolmacy, find the country you want to trade,
click 'open negotiations'

there you have 3 tabs, 1 for provices, 1 for techs and the other for resources.

to trade techs and provicnes you have to be allied with that country (with the up to date version ... with the orginal and the first patch you could trade all that with non-allies)

however the resources in unaffected.

[Blame Canada]

there you have 3 tabs, 1 for provices, 1 for techs and the other for resources.


and if you play the Doomsday version you also have one for Divisions/squadrons.

[Blame Canada]

I've finally got around to actually play HOI2 Doomsday... I bought it on the day of release but so far I've been busy modding it :D ... I'm trying a game as England as they always seems to be fun.

so far it's early 1941 and Germany have made their European Tour... except for Norway which were bravely defended by the Royal Navy, RAF and a corps of British Marines along with the Norwegians, who unfortunately lost most of their navy when it got trapped in Danish waters.

In Africa the situation looks good. Tobruk and Benghazi has fallen and it is only a matter of time before Commonwealth troops reach Trippoli. Ethiopea has been conquered from the Italians and Greece is still fighting, now supported by 9 British divisions.

The Royal Navy and RAF have so far been able to keep the Germans in port, but Italian air superiority in the Mediterranian have proven to be a great problem. The Italian battleship Littorio is subject to a great hunt of revenge as it has so far sunk no less than: 3 destroyer flottilas, 2 light cruiser, 1 battle cruiser, 2 battleships and 2 aircraft carriers... So at the moment the Italians rule the Mediterranian, but soon that will change as two of my main fleets have been sent in that direction along with a heavy contigent of naval bombers, fighters and tactical bombers.

Japan finished their conquest of China in January 1939 and I'm now fearing that they have cast their eyes on India.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4036/africagreece5eg.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9616/germany3fi.jpg

As it can be seen Germany still has a large fleet of minor vessels left, I presume they are mostly submarines, but so far they have stayed in port.

If some of you have some good ideas of what to do next please let me know..

[DavidUpton]

Do what the Allies did. Invade Sicily. :)

[Blame Canada]

Do what the Allies did. Invade Sicily. :)

That is an option. But with the Germans not yet involved on the Eastern front and the Americans still passificst I'm gonna be quite alone there :D

[DavidUpton]

Quick question, would anyone here say it is worth buying? I have tried the demo, its just that I like to be certain before I purchase something.

[Blame Canada]

Quick question, would anyone here say it is worth buying? I have tried the demo, its just that I like to be certain before I purchase something.

In my opinion it's one of the best strategy games ever made and worth a buy. It has a few annoying things but nothing serious. If you like that kind of game you should also try a couple of other titles by Paradox... Europa Universalis and Victoria springs to my mind... along with Crusader Kings...

[DavidUpton]

Ah. Bought. World War II can now begin. :)

[Wubbles]

Doomsday looks pretty good, may have to buy that.

[Blame Canada]

Anyone tried the new Armagedon add-on?

[sid]

Not yet, might wait for next hot fix to fix some of the bugs. Oh and plug for my AAR. (http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296090&page=1&pp=20)

[Sgt So and So]

I just ended the war against Germany on December 3rd, 1944. :cool:
I was the Canadians, and during the battle for France, the battle started to take a turn for the worst, with the Germans within striking range of the Caen region, with the entirity of the invasion at stake. However, my armoured divisions, supported by a single division of motorized inf. and three bomber squadrons, spearheaded an attack on the German's southernmost flank, opposite Switzerland, and, after some help from the British XXX corps, we managed to envelop 24 German divisions (24!) into a massive pocket from Paris all the way to the Rhine. After that, Europe was a cakewalk, and those same Armoured divisions rolled into Berlin at 0300 on December 3rd, 1944. Now, I've got to work on redeploying my forces to the Pacific. Either that or starting a war with the USSR... hmmm...:D

[el_diablo_nor]

we play this game on every LAN im at.

I think the most fun with this game is to take a small country and make it into a superpower.

[EvilHobo]

Anyone tried the new Armagedon add-on?

I'm doing one of the normal campaigns with it. The alternate history campaigns included with it are just ridiculous. I haven't tried "Abyss," but the Armageddon campaign is wierd. It starts in 1936, everyone seems to have the same amount of IC, same tech, etc. Everyone is pretty much at war with everyone else. Prussia, Russian Empire, Confederate States of America, India, and Indochina are all National Socialist and in the same alliance. A lot of countries are Stalinist, like Sweden, Great Britain/Denmark/Belgium/Netherlands (European Soviets). And there's a bunch of other nonsense.

I have no idea whats going on.