M1 Garrand ... does it ping or not?

[enigma]

this just popped to mind after seeing people talking about the rifle in the Manual Bolting topic. (think it was dicussed here a while back but all those old topics are no more)

So does it Ping or not when you have shot off the 8th round?

I remember looking around the net a while ago, and everyone was basically saying 'my grandpappy knows it pings!' and the 'my grandpappy knows it never pinged'
That and the same sort of argument by the people who stated they have used the rifle.

So what is the answer, does anyone know?

[OliverMarshall]

yes, though it wasn't as loud as it is portrayed normally. This was one of the drawbacks of the gun, the enemy could tell when you were reloading. Which isn't exactly great.

[BillSpargo]

Will lighters make the same ping when I when I open it to fire up my flamethrower.:D

[OliverMarshall]

hehe, you know you can make the same sound as when it's working full on but with only a small flame? Should help you light your cigarettes while scaring your mates.:rolleyes:

[Wolfsburg]

Yes, there is a distinctive ping though, as Shrapnel said, it's loudness is exaggerated in most media, IMO. Some people also have the misconception that the ping can give away a soldier's position. However, considering the din of noise usually present in a warzone (which would drown out the ping) coupled with the fact that if a ping is heard, more than likely a shot has just been fired a few seconds before (which means your approximate position is likely already known), the ping isn't the huge liability it's sometimes portrayed as.

[RonanHayes]

I read somewhere, and yes I KNOW Im not backing this up with facts, but I read that it wasnt the ejection of the clip but actually the clip falling and hitting the ground. Thats where the ping came from.

I could be wrong, I probably am, but thats what I read and the guy was pretty convinving.

[2ltben]

This is just my inference, but the resonance from the metal clip operates similar to a tuning fork. When the clip is ejected, the friction from the rifle causes the metal to vibrate, producing a ringing noise. It may sound like a ping, but if you slow it down you should be able to hear a rise, climax, and fall.

[NortherlyNanook]

Actually, the ping comes from the soldier himself. They're trying to fool you.

As for Ronan's statement, would a clip falling on something soft like grass make that much of a ping? It probably would if there were moveable parts within the clip, but I don't know anything about it.

[Wolfsburg]

2ltben has got it. ;)

[enigma]

:) Nice one guys :)

[xtc-alec]

Ejection of an empty clip created a distinctive "ping" sound. In World War II, Germans were said to use the sound to alert them to an empty American rifle. During the Korean War, American soldiers supposedly used this sound to their advantage, noting that the enemy would pop their heads up when they heard the clip sound, and would carry and throw empty clips as a tactic. However, these claims are largely unsubstantiated, and in reality, clip noise likely had little effect for or against either side in the vast majority of engagements.

[Lordwatson]

I seriously doubt that in the hjeat of a firefight, it would be possible to hear a small ping when something like a BAR is going full auto beside it. I thought that the ping was because the Garand's chamber was tight and it was the noise of the metal snapping out as it got clear of the rifle, as Ben said, like a tuning fork.

[BillSpargo]

ping (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/MeaningOfLife/Bing.au)

[MLittle]

Ben's comment seems to be the most likely. At the very least, it sounds completely plausible

[NicholasJohnson]

I own an empty M1 clip, it makes a loud ping sound whenever it hits a hard surface.

Don't know if it would be audible in a firefight or not though.

[eewok]

lol, your hearing is some how hightened in a fire fight... you could pick out a small bug beating its wings... i think its because the ears are ready for loud noises and so there ready for any noise! jst like any modern rifle making a clicking noise when ejected... the garrand probably made the same noise... or something similar... thus producing a ping

[DarkCanuck]

never fired it, never seen it in real life. however i have seen high quality videos with crisp clear sound. there is a ping but you have to listen for it. in games is like 'bang bang bang PING!!()*!&@#@'

[Volvulus]

I think its the clip that pings because the clip vibrates and makes a pinging sound, you can sort of tell by this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHteDfLzwm0&search=m1%20garand

[xtc-alec]

To bad there are no yank reenactors on this forum.

Oh and my last reply, i got it of Wikipedia

[Wolfsburg]

You don't have to be a re-enactor to own and shoot a Garand. ;)

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

I think its the clip that pings because the clip vibrates and makes a pinging sound, you can sort of tell by this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHteDfLzwm0&search=m1%20garand

on the movie you can hear ronan was also right. When the clip is fired off you hear the same ping as when it drops on the ground. Makes me wonder why they never changed the material of the magazine.

[Wolfsburg]

The clip will also give a bit of a ping if it hits a hard surface like concrete or metal, but not so much on grass, dirt, sand, mud, etc...surfaces typically encountered in a battlezone.

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

The clip will also give a bit of a ping if it hits a hard surface like concrete or metal, but not so much on grass, dirt, sand, mud, etc...

yeah thats pretty ovibious aint it lol :p :) ever heard someth ping when it felt in the mud? :p jk ;) sorry couldnt help myself but we kinda already said that :)

[Wolfsburg]

Well, I was replying to your comment on why the clip material was never changed. It only pings when it hits some surfaces. ;)

[Tough Ombre 359th]

yes, though it wasn't as loud as it is portrayed normally. This was one of the drawbacks of the gun, the enemy could tell when you were reloading. Which isn't exactly great.

However, this ping was replicated in combat. Those who relied on the ping of the gun, were sometimes dead wrong.

[2ltben]

Well, of the combat a soldier experienced, how much of it was a heated pitch and how much of it was popping out to make the odd potshot at the guys in the other foxholes or trenches or whathaveyou.

[xtc-alec]

You don't have to be a re-enactor to own and shoot a Garand. ;)

heh well yeah my mistake

[BillSpargo]

The noise could vary between rifles and clips. One clip could be a slightly tighter fit than another which would cause a greater amount of friction and vibration when ejected. The clips seem to be made of fairly thin stamped metal which would be easy to bend and deform.

[rAstha]

I think the ping is something they made on purpose, just to make the rifle cool... :p

[[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z]

Haha, very good rAstha:D

[FredrikStertman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5BgNGyB_U&mode=related&search=m1%20garand

*pling* not very loud, but its there.

[Wolfsburg]

Yeah, you can definately hear a ping when the clip hits the table.

[Tough Ombre 359th]

Also don't forget, when that clip hits the table it hits another clip on the table.

[Lordwatson]

I reckon it does ping, in conclusion but it is not nearly as distinct as modern games make it

[BillSpargo]

Did anyone see this vid on the same page—M1 Garand bump fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQrtzSdVDo&mode=related&search=m1%20garand). Put that in the game!

[Vash]

Both of the correct answers were already given on this thread

There is a pinging sound that occurs when the clip is ejected from the rifle due to the vibrations (as Ben said) as well as (depending on what sort of surface you are on) another ping when the clip hits the ground.

Whoever said it would not ping on a soft surface like grass, you are correct. I also do not believe that the ping would neccessarilly be audible during a firefight as mentioned, although in a small rifle on rifle engagement the ping may be discernable.

Whethere or not either side benefitted or not from it is hard to tell and probably varies in every single engagement throughout the war in which an M1 was used.


Oh yes, and Ben was correct in saying it was the resonance of the empty clip, much like a tuning fork.