Goliath use?

[Sgt So and So]

Alright, ever since I saw the Company of Heroes Trailer #4, I've been in love with the remote-control Goliath bomb used by the Germans.
http://www.battlefront.co.nz/Images/newbpics/Goliath.jpg
I was wondering, does anyone know of anytime the bomb was actually used in action? Because, from all that I know and have searched, most of the prototypes were captured when the Americans took Omaha. Any help on my Goliath-quest would be greatly appreciated!:D

[MLittle]

Goliath Online?

I've never heard anything about this, would love if someone can fill us in more.

[enigma]

yea i've heard on them being used, ill try n find some info


Goliaths were used on all fronts where the Wehrmacht fought, beginning in spring 1942. they were used principally by specialized Panzer and combat engineer units. Goliaths were used most notoriously in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, as Wehrmacht and SS units were deployed to crush fierce Polish resistance by the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa). Although a total of 7,564 Goliaths of both models were produced, the weapon was not regarded as being wholly successful because of its slow speed (less than ten miles per hour), poor ground clearance, and easily-severed command cables.
Thats off the wiki, quickest thing i could find on the subject.

Seems they were based on something simlar which the frenchies had built


Ps: its a 'tracked mine'

[Lordwatson]

It is a remote controlled mine which drives under tanks and blows itself up if I recall right

I am pretty sure I saw one being used on the Ost front but not sure.

[Hells Angel]

I think i remember reading something in my english literature class about them being used in warsaw (dont quote me on this though) it was a first person POV written about a soldiers garrison of a building and the germans using them i believe

[enigma]

Watson: Yes they cn be used for that

Hells Angel: Yes it does seem they where.

[Lord Justin]

I was under the impression that 'remote' entailed radio with no cables, but the Wiki implies that the Goliath used cables. Correct me if I'm wrong (most likely :D ) but isn't it incorrect to call the Goliath 'remote' controlled?

Now that I have that out of the way (:p ), I didn't know the Goliath was ever actually used in combat. I always thought it was one of those last-minute German prototypes that came too little, too late and was abandoned. Although I assume (backed by the Wiki) that it had little effect. A weapon like that just isn't flexible enough to do widespread damage. Under very specific circumstances, however, I am sure it had at least some combat value and certainly some psychological value. Knowing your enemy could be putting explosives on your doorstep without you ever knowing would scare me a bit back then. Of course nowadays we're completely accustomed to unmanned weapons :) .

[Kaos]

I was under the impression that 'remote' entailed radio with no cables, but the Wiki implies that the Goliath used cables. Correct me if I'm wrong (most likely :D ) but isn't it incorrect to call the Goliath 'remote' controlled?

Now that I have that out of the way (:p ), I didn't know the Goliath was ever actually used in combat. I always thought it was one of those last-minute German prototypes that came too little, too late and was abandoned. Although I assume (backed by the Wiki) that it had little effect. A weapon like that just isn't flexible enough to do widespread damage. Under very specific circumstances, however, I am sure it had at least some combat value and certainly some psychological value. Knowing your enemy could be putting explosives on your doorstep without you ever knowing would scare me a bit back then. Of course nowadays we're completely accustomed to unmanned weapons :) .

Well remote controlled just means it's being controlled from a location that isn't in the actual object. It doesn't necessarily have to be wireless, or in this case, cableless.

[BillSpargo]

I think what Lord Justin wants is to be able to drive this baby up to a tank. But I don't think he's given much thought to what happens afterwards.:p

Goliath Video (http://www.smhq.org/videos/goliath.mpeg)

From: Société de Modélisme Historique du Québec (http://www.smhq.org/)

[enigma]

I think what Lord Justin wants is to be able to drive this baby under a tank. But I don't think he's given much thought to what happens afterwards.:p

There is a video somewhere on the net. If I can't find it I'll post my own.
aww though you said his baby ... had a line already to go, about social services getting involved :(

Id like to see a vid of them action, would be rather cool to see what they can do

[BillSpargo]

enigmaaaaaa It's Hereeee!!!!

[75thDeadMan]

it was a good concept but it was just a bit ahead of its time. the goliath had one key flaw, range. to my understanding it was wireless, however the range on it was extremely limited. to my understanding the operator had to be within about 20 ft of it for it to work. at that point if you were that close to a tank you might as well try to throw a satchle, mine, or even try to take it out with a panzerfaust.

[enigma]

it was a good concept but it was just a bit ahead of its time. the goliath had one key flaw, range. to my understanding it was wireless, however the range on it was extremely limited. to my understanding the operator had to be within about 20 ft of it for it to work. at that point if you were that close to a tank you might as well try to throw a satchle, mine, or even try to take it out with a panzerfaust.
lol throw a satchal charge .... those things ive read can wiegh a ton (well not really but anything from under a Kg to something like 7-8kg ... everyone wasnt olypic shot putters :p ) ... plus its more effective to run and plonk them on the tank :p


Well it looks like those lil things have quite a range ... and quite a kick!
Great link Spargonaut :D

much further range then my RC car when i was a kid :(

[Lord Justin]

aww though you said his baby ... had a line already to go, about social services getting involved :(

Hahaha, that was funny. Drive meh baby under a tank. Woot.

Okay, Kaos, see I told you I was mistaken :p . So now I know that remote can be using wire. You learn something new every day. If DeadMan's right and they only had a control range of about twenty feet, I would never want to be the poor pioneer assigned to blow up sie Amerikanas with the Goliath. *trades in his Goliath for a Panzerschreck*

[sid]

There were some that were radio controlled while others where wire controlled. They were used on the east front with little success as the operater had to expose themselves to enemy fire. The allies were testing similar weapons but abadoned the project after poor results in training.

[75thDeadMan]

lol throw a satchal charge .... those things ive read can wiegh a ton (well not really but anything from under a Kg to something like 7-8kg ... everyone wasnt olypic shot putters :p ) ... plus its more effective to run and plonk them on the tank :p

lol, i didn't mean to like throw a satchal from 20 feet away. yeah they do weigh like 10lbs. i meant if you were 20 ft away from a tank you might as well run up to it and plonk it right on top of it like you said. i'd be mighty impressed if someone could throw one on top of a tank from 20 ft away.

-back on topic. whatever the case with this little tank, i'm not even sure if there were even any stationed around normandy. if so i'm almost certain they weren't used in action, but correct me if i'm wrong.

[xplosiv]

i'm not even sure if there were even any stationed around normandy. if so i'm almost certain they weren't used in action, but correct me if i'm wrong.
Aye they were found by the allies in Normandy. But I've never heard anything about them being used there.

[enigma]

Didnt they plan on using them agaisnt the landing craft?

[75thDeadMan]

lol, they might have but it's better they didn't. they would litterly have to be on the beach to oporate it just to get close to the landing craft.

[enigma]

lol, they might have but it's better they didn't. they would litterly have to be on the beach to oporate it just to get close to the landing craft.
lol i can picture the German, half bent over, legging it down the beach behind one.
Tracers flying past him from both sides, mortars splashing down.

Running right behind it stright for a Higgens coming it .... the door drops it drives on board, he runs on board. The yanks who where aobut to run off have all stoped ... looking at each other confused and then


fizzle ... it doesnt work :D

LMFAO!

[Sgt So and So]

lol i can picture the German, half bent over, legging it down the beach behind one.
Tracers flying past him from both sides, mortars splashing down.

Running right behind it stright for a Higgens coming it .... the door drops it drives on board, he runs on board. The yanks who where aobut to run off have all stoped ... looking at each other confused and then


fizzle ... it doesnt work :D

LMFAO!
But have you seen the Company of Heroes trailer #4? it's the most kickass use of a Goliath I have ever seen. The thing comes screeching down a French street out of a house, sparks as it rounds a corner, and stops in front of a couple of walking troops on a bridge. One looks down as it adjusts itself, saying, "What the hell is that?" And then, BOOM! The whole bridge goes up!:D It was freakin' awesome! Can't wait to use 'em in CoH. But thanks for the info guys. Awesome link, Spargo.

[Volvulus]

Wow I thought from the picture that it was as big as a tank or something not that small. I saw this thing on the history channel about it.

[Sgt So and So]

Wow I thought from the picture that it was as big as a tank or something not that small. I saw this thing on the history channel about it.
Yup, its on floorboards in that photo. Damned sexy thing, too.:D

[Saden]

lol i can picture the German, half bent over, legging it down the beach behind one.
Tracers flying past him from both sides, mortars splashing down.

Running right behind it stright for a Higgens coming it .... the door drops it drives on board, he runs on board. The yanks who where aobut to run off have all stoped ... looking at each other confused and then


fizzle ... it doesnt work :D

LMFAO!

Or he'd by crouching on the beach, sends the goliath under the higgins. The doors of the higgins dont open, and the goliath doesnt expload, so he goes and checks whats wrong. Then b00m, the higgins and the German all blow up and turn into fleshy hamburgers on the beach :p. All that for a bunch of yanks XD. Sorry, I just had to add that, as un-funny as it sounds :p.

[Vott]

A Goliath in Normandy:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6924/goliathgj3.th.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goliathgj3.jpg)

[sid]

Does anyone know how much explosives they had in them?

[Sgt So and So]

Does anyone know how much explosives they had in them?
From what I've gathered, anywhere between one to three AT mines.:D

[enigma]

wiki says,


60-kilogram explosive charge
although it doesnt say if its a mine, bomb, explosives etc




also says



At first their purpose was not wholly clear to the GIs, until one of them dropped a grenade into one and killed him and a dozen of his fellow soldiers.
:eek:

[DarkCanuck]

so i take it they werent used very often, and their use, in company of heros (the game) is not feasible and pretty much sci-fi...?



edit i guess it must be as far fectched as the v1 rocket in the game ( i saw it in game, never used it) its used to bomb cities and large targets not a lazer guided rocket...

[sid]

Yeah I think the chance of them hitting a target that small is pretty remote. Didn't someone say somewhere that some V1s that were luanched at London ended up in Sweeden?

[Sgt So and So]

so i take it they werent used very often, and their use, in company of heros (the game) is not feasible and pretty much sci-fi...?



edit i guess it must be as far fectched as the v1 rocket in the game ( i saw it in game, never used it) its used to bomb cities and large targets not a lazer guided rocket...
Well, the thing is, they're friggin' expensive in-game, so you probably will use them once over the course of five to ten games.;)

[enigma]

DarkCanuck: A few thousand where made, they did see service in several places but overal i think your correct with that assumption of them not seeing much.



Yeah I think the chance of them hitting a target that small is pretty remote. Didn't someone say somewhere that some V1s that were luanched at London ended up in Sweeden?
I think that was said about the V2 (ballistic missile, ive just found out that some of these made it to space becoming the first man made object to do so!) , although am sure of that happening ... doesnt sound quite right (although if anyone has an article on that please post :) )

Edit:

An A4/V-2 test rocket carrying prototype guidance systems for the Wasserfall missile project, which was in effect a converted V-2 rocket to an anti-aircraft role, launched from Peenemünde on June 13, 1944, crashed in Sweden.

Was a test flight not an actual launch agaisnt a target.
link to the article on the missile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall_missile)

V1s where flying bombs - an early version of a cruise missile, launched off basically ramps along the channel cost towards the Southeast of England and London.

[Matt]

Forgotten Hope has them.. hehe usta use them as a transport fer troops... untill it got outta range..some.."unhappy" customers :cool: