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Hamilkar
06-05-2006, 04:40 AM
Hi Everyone!

In the recent weeks one WW2 story really caught my attention.
I spent some research looking for pictures.
This story is quite overlooked by the other actions in WW2.
What really caught my fascination is that this story is fully covered by pictures and a video.


This story is set in Cologne, Germany in early March, 1945.

A lone Panther was sitting in the Cathedral square in Cologne, and the Americans tought it was knocked out. 2 Shermans were aproaching the square when the Panther suddenly knocked out one of the M4A1.
3 men died in that tank.
No much later a Pershin tank of the 3rd Armour was sent to destroy the Panther. It aproached it from the flank and took it out with 3 shots.

Jim Bates interview (photographer)
"I was born may 14, 1916 in Bolder Colorado and moved to Colorado Springs, Colorado where I started working for the Alexandria Film Company in high school. I had seven years experience when I entered the U.S. Army as a Cinema photographer. I was a Sergeant Technician and became a member of General Eisenhower's Newsreel Team.
General Gavin asked me to volunteer as a Combat Photographer for the invasion, And then sent me to jump school. I was in the second plane on D-Day 1944 and the second man out with a full load of photographic equipment. I landed in a canal and almost drowned. All my equipment was ruined so I turned into a combat soldier. I blew up a command car with a grenade, and later stumbled in a large pillbox where almost a hundred Germans soldiers surrendered and piled up their weapons.
In January I hitched a ride as a bow gunner on a Third Armored Division Sherman tank. outside of Langlier. I used the machine gun to hit a German with a bazooka. I baled out of the tank when it got stopped and got hit with shrapnel and spent several days in the hospital but came back at the end of the Ardennes and joined up with the 82nd. Airborne Division.
The greatest part of my life was in Cologne, Germany. It was my finest moments as Combat Photography when I joined the Third Armored Division in its capture of Cologne, Germany, for which action earned me a Bronze Star Medal to go with my Purple Heart. It was the tanks backed by the 36th. Armored Infantry Regiment that did the house to house fighting and clearing the area.
In the center square in front of the Cathedral was a German Tank that a Sherman tank thought was disabled but the tank put a shell through the Sherman and killed three men in it. A Tank Commander named Robert Early from E Company 32nd. Armored Regiment went on foot to investigate. I asked to go along and we went on the mezzanine of a building and saw the tank. He told me to stay there and he would come back in his tank and try to put the German tank out of commission and I could photograph it. He had one of the new M-26 Pershings with a ninety-mm gun. Sgt. Early said he would turn into the square under me, stop and fire at the German tank. When his tank came in the square under me the German tank began to traverse the gun. Cpl. Clarence Smoyer the gunner, did not wait for his tank to stop but fired before the gun was aimed at him. His first shot hit the German tank in the bottom and cut off the commander's legs. After the next shot, three of the crew bailed out but the shrapnel had got them. My pictures show the tank commander burned up with the tank, which was still smoldering next morning. The driver got to the back of the building where he fell. The bow gunner fell over a bicycle and lay there. The gunner went down nearby. All had been killed. I was proud to meet Maj. Gen. Rose the Commander of the Third Armored Spearhead Division Today there is a Hospital in Denver, Colorado named after him."

Cpl. Clarence Smoyer (GUnner of the Pershin)
"
We were fortunate to have our M-4 Sherman replaced with the M 26 PershingsTank with the ninety mm gun.. We had been on a drive to capture Cologne and we were near the center of the square in front of the Cathedral when one of our Sherkans M-4 tanks approaching the center square, was knocked out by a German Mark V Panther, killing three of the crew. When this happened, our crew was ordered to go down the adjacent street and destroy the German tank.
We were told to just move into the intersection far enough to fire into the side of the enemy tank, which had their gun facing up the other street. However, as we entered the intersection, our driver had his periscope turned toward the Germans and saw their gun turning to meet us. When I turned our turrent, I was looking into the Mark V gun tube; so instead of stopping to fire, our driver drove into the middle of the intersection so we wouldn't be a sitting target. As we were moving, I fired once. Then we stopped and I fired two more shells to make sure they wouldn't fire at our side. All three of our shells penetrated, one under the gun shield and two on the side. The two side hits went completely through and out the other side.
As for the German tank crew, I spent many years wondering if they survived. Only recently, after receiving the Bates' tape, did I find the answer. The tape revealed that three died outside of the tank. A letter from another soldier who looked through one of the shell holes said he saw one burned to death inside the tank. Apparently none of them survived the ordeal. The M 26 Perishing Tank with the 90 mm gun was the best tank we had during the war. We kept it till the end of the war; however, we were hit twice with panzerfausts at Paderborn and had to have repairs done"

THe Cathedral
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/CologneCathedral.jpg


The Sherman APproaching on a street towards the Square
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/part1.jpg

Right after the Panther Fires
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/part2.jpg

The Panther after the battle seen from the knocked out sherman
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/part3.jpg

The Panther seen from the Cathedral after the engagment
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/1092677170_overview.jpg

The Panther right after the engament, smoldering
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/Panther2turretunmoved.jpg

The Panther after a couple of days
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/PZV.jpg

A paratrooper checks the tank(NOTE: The muzzle break was porbably taken as a souvenir)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/Panther2.jpg

A colour photo of the tank (NOTE: The tank has been moved to the front of the cathedral)
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/PantherinCologne.jpg

And last but not least, is the Jim Bates video, the final moment of the panther
http://media.putfile.com/Panther-in-Cologne


I hope you liked the story as much as I did.

Sgt So and So
06-05-2006, 06:04 PM
That's amazing! I can't wait to pull off a stunt like that in-game... hehehe... anybody driving a Sherman, beware!:D

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-05-2006, 06:39 PM
Wow, that was really interesting :)

OliverMarshall
06-05-2006, 06:52 PM
intresting, didn't like the video once the tank started burning. not nice.

enigma
06-05-2006, 07:48 PM
nice post, havnt watched the vid though ... after what Shrap just said ... read memoirs of any tankers ... doesnt sound too nice.

The Panthers turret is facing one way after being knocked out and is facing another way after a few days? hehe

just wondering where did you get the pics from?

Lordwatson
06-05-2006, 09:44 PM
fascinating! especially that video, its filled with tension, as you see the crew scrambling away to try and get out of the tank, its scary!

metsapeikko
06-05-2006, 10:32 PM
Wow, that was hmm, quite dramatic? But thanks anyways.

|Crimson|
06-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Agreed. Didn't like the burning tank. Made me sorta...shudder.

DarkCanuck
06-05-2006, 11:37 PM
freaky, great find. i do think all the crew got out of the burning tank. to me it looked as though so escaped, and then there was another round fired for the tank and then i never saw another leave the tank. could be wrong though.

Vash
06-06-2006, 12:18 AM
That's how war is, it's not always pretty. A lot worse things happened (and may in 1944 [probably not as graphically as in real life, but it is supposed to be a realism game, isn't it?])

But anyway, I really thought that was cool and thanks for sharing.


I do agree though, it is kinda scary.. but I like it :D

biggles
06-06-2006, 01:18 AM
Very interesting indeed, but I sertanly hope that the video wasn't what the site whould call a "funny video", because I could only imagine what a terrible end for the (possible) Germans inside the tank.

Hamilkar
06-06-2006, 03:20 AM
I didnt post that video as a, OMF i7s 50 l337!!!!!11111

I posted it to show what war is like. This video was a first for me.
I never seen what WW2 was really like on channels like Discovery and History, you never seen the sad realities of war. This video showed the grim reality.

This video was a small portion of those 50 million+ people who died.
Unfortunatly those Panther tankers died. I saw a picture of one victim, he was very mangled. If you read the post you will know where they fell.
(i think smoyers report)

I think the Panther is a great tank, it was bad to see how easily it was destroyed. (altough it was a touch away from sending the Pershing to heaven)

metsapeikko
06-06-2006, 03:30 AM
I think the Panther is a great tank, it was bad to see how easily it was destroyed. (altough it was a touch away from sending the Pershing to heaven)
Well it was shoted from flank by a tank which was mainly desinged against tanks... (Sorry for possible mistakes, im really tired now. 4:30 am in finland.)

Hamilkar
06-07-2006, 02:14 AM
Right.

It only has 50 milimeter armour there, and the Pershing has a 90 mil.

Volvulus
06-07-2006, 02:46 AM
ouchy.......

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-07-2006, 09:00 AM
In the IWM of London, there is a Jagdpanther with 3 shell holes in the side, in a similar position to where that Panther was shot. I have forgotten what shot it, but it is really interesting to look around, because I think it was been mostly restored, although I'm not sure...

rAstha
06-07-2006, 01:53 PM
That's how war is, it's not always pretty.

In my opinion war is NEVER pretty... when was it pretty? enlight me! ;)

Hamilkar
06-08-2006, 12:07 AM
-R!G4M0RT!Z']In the IWM of London, there is a Jagdpanther with 3 shell holes in the side, in a similar position to where that Panther was shot. I have forgotten what shot it, but it is really interesting to look around, because I think it was been mostly restored, although I'm not sure...


Here it is!
BTW I think: JagdPanther 1s t3h S3X

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/Jagdpanther-20.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/Jagdpanther-18.jpg

Zcorpio
06-08-2006, 12:14 AM
What a touching story. Thanks mate! I enjoyed it!

Kettenhund
06-19-2006, 09:56 AM
intresting, didn't like the video once the tank started burning. not nice.
DITO

I hate this vid, my heart is crying,when i see the dying german mans of the panther. Think on it, Cologne has fallen and this mans dying in a hopeless fight.

I think this is a snuff video...

The story is interesting by the way...

enigma
06-19-2006, 05:48 PM
are they - 6 pounder or 17 pounder holes to the engine block?

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-19-2006, 10:49 PM
Yea, that is definately the Jagdpanther I was on about, I like the pics of it... Mine contain people peering into it :p If anything... I would say as an educated guess that they are more likely to be 17 pounder :) Don't take my word for it though...

EDIT: Btw Hamilkar, do you know what tank took it out??

BillSpargo
06-20-2006, 06:41 AM
What the video fails to show—although the the photos show the event—is that before this panther was destroyed it struck a US M4. The film—taken by the same cameraman—shows a tank crewman exiting from the turret with his lower right leg missing and smoking from the round impact. This man quickly died although those on hand tried to save him.

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-20-2006, 05:39 PM
What the video fails to show—although the the photos show the event—is that before this panther was destroyed it struck a US M4. The film—taken by the same cameraman—shows a tank crewman exiting from the turret with his lower right leg missing and smoking from the round impact. This man quickly died although those on hand tried to save him.

Really!?! Bloody hell :( , thanks for the extra information though

rAstha
06-20-2006, 09:00 PM
What the video fails to show—although the the photos show the event—is that before this panther was destroyed it struck a US M4. The film—taken by the same cameraman—shows a tank crewman exiting from the turret with his lower right leg missing and smoking from the round impact. This man quickly died although those on hand tried to save him.

What do you mean, is there another film?? Or is this some detail you gotta look for? can you explain a bit clearer? I'm sorry but it was hard to get...

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-20-2006, 11:08 PM
I presumed it was another film, seeing as how he said "What the video fails to show" and "The film—taken by the same cameraman—"

rAstha
06-20-2006, 11:30 PM
-R!G4M0RT!Z']I presumed it was another film, seeing as how he said "What the video fails to show" and "The film—taken by the same cameraman—"

Yeah, but this is where he lost me: "before this panther was destroyed it struck a US M4." What do he mean, like driving into or shooting at a US tank or what? to strike it, would be to physically hit it or am I totally wrong?

And, if you mean there is another film, where can we get it? Its really interesting to see what all these movies and games are really playing about with, cus this aint entertainment at all... War is ugly, even on film, but being there would have been horrific!

EDIT: Aha! what he try to say is that its another film from the SHERMAN being knocked out, and this american soldier being killed. Or what?

NicholasJohnson
06-20-2006, 11:36 PM
He means the M4 was hit with a shell fired from the Panther's main gun. :)

Hamilkar
06-21-2006, 01:27 AM
I've seen the full video.

But I couldn't find any videos on the net for that part.
Trust me I was looking hard.

:(
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/part2b.jpg

BillSpargo
06-21-2006, 06:27 AM
I have it but it's about 16MB. I'll get back to you.

BillSpargo
06-21-2006, 08:14 AM
Alright, here (http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~bspargo/files/panther_tank.mov) it is. It's a 1MB Quicktime movie just showing the crewman bailing out of the tank.

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-21-2006, 11:10 PM
Edit: Sorry, didnt read the second page, I shall have a look at the video in a second, thanks for posting it
Edit: The link aint working for me, although its probly just my net

biggles
06-22-2006, 09:36 PM
I've seen the full video.

But I couldn't find any videos on the net for that part.
Trust me I was looking hard.

:(
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/MagnosAchos/Panther%20in%20Cologne/part2b.jpg



About that note..... Did it mean that the American soldiers was going to get help for the Germans?

BillSpargo
06-23-2006, 07:51 AM
About that note..... Did it mean that the American soldiers was going to get help for the Germans?

If you look at the video three posts above it shows the scene immediately before that photo was taken, where an M4A1(76) is hit by the panther.

Zip
03-25-2007, 11:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqH_WEqNK5Y&mode=related&search=

Maybe we needa Forums just for videos like these:o

enigma
03-25-2007, 02:18 PM
The battle of Cologne, possible the most famous tank battle of the war .... possibly the most famous film footage of the war too.

always creeps me out when i watch it :(


Ive got a bunch of related links for this one:


Frame by Frame analysis (http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/feature.pages/bates.index.htm)

The orginal footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oDnst7fAEU)


some extra pics:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/218/panthcolvm9.jpg

the very famous photo:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5003/colognezb3.jpg

The caption did say one was running to aid surviors and another was running to get a medic ... am not too sure of that guy with the severed foot did die if he was getting all the help ... who knows? Prehaps he did :(

ShaunCowdell
03-25-2007, 02:42 PM
Enigma I have never seen that photo before, could I trouble you to give a little bit of information about it?
Also the guy with the severed foot, is he on the tank?

Zip
03-25-2007, 02:56 PM
Enigma I have never seen that photo before, could I trouble you to give a little bit of information about it?
Also the guy with the severed foot, is he on the tank?



Yeah you can see he fall off the top of it in the video:(

Hes in that photo to if you look at the tank

ShaunCowdell
03-25-2007, 02:58 PM
Yeah... I got it all now.

War may be glamorous in games and shit... But when you see videos like that it really changes a lot of things for you.
It's not the blood and gore that gets me, it's the fact they are real people dying... If you look you can see the footless mans face as he scurries out...

I really hope 1944 will show war as it is, like that video, to portray and educate to everyone what it was really like.

BillSpargo
03-25-2007, 04:40 PM
This is one of the most discussed pieces of footage from WWII. I've seen dozens of threads on it and this isn't the first time here (http://www.1944game.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2046).
The tanker with the severed foot did die as stated in the first video.
Also what you might not have noticed at 22s in the first video and ~1.55 in the second, is when the US infantry are crossing the street tracer fire is passing between them.
There's also a movie link on the second page of the above link with a better quality version of the US tanker with the severed foot.

enigma
03-25-2007, 05:10 PM
ah, thought we had discussed it before.



It's not the blood and gore that gets me, it's the fact they are real people dying...

I dont know if its because i am not there, if its somewhat inpersonal etc but the dudes getting killed etc doesnt bother me. Ive seen many many vids of ww2 and photos but what really does effect me .... really makes me sick is when you see clips like this and iirc someone falls back into the tank ... to know hes in there burning to death.

Its the same when i read the accounts of say By Tank into Normandy or Grenadiers and the talk of them burning just does it :(

Hamilkar
03-30-2007, 04:11 AM
I reviewed the Panther video MANY times.

The very first guy trying to get out,wearing a parka (clearly), falls back into the turret following an explosion. We know that.... He is possibly the commander.

((The very first shell seems to have nailed the poor gunner, thus killing him instantly; the shell hole is located on the hull in such a position that with the turret turned the position it was it severed the gunner in half.

We should also note that the Panther started to reverse towards the cathedral right after taking AP fire trough building from the Pershing a block away. CMDR. Bird tried to take out the panther blind by sending AP rounds trough houses.
Thus The Panthers gunner might have had no time to reload after taking on the sherman, due to movement and being under fire. Perhaps the shell was in his hand the moment they got hit? Reasoning why the Panther didn't return fire?))

After that, the radioman opens the hatch, crouches againts the turret than somehow gets off the tank.
After him the driver emerges from his position, CLEARLY getting shot by MG fire just as he is about to pull his legs out sitting on the hull. He looses balance due to wound and falls head first off the tank.
Right after he falls the radioman runs back and picks up his wounded kamarade, then they disappear into the smokey distance.

Meanwhile somebody is in the coupola! HE IS CLEARLY INJURED! I mean he seams to hesitate although he already made it out halfway.
Why hesitate after making it out halfway? An indication that he has sever leg injury perhaps a missing limb.
Quite possibly this man is the commander, the same man trying to get out the very first time, but this time he is slower perhaps because of the shock and bloodloss from the previous internal explosion.

This is when the shell hits under the mantlet....
Shards penetrate followed by hot gases, pass right under the 75mm inside the turret. Then the schockwave hits the commander just above. He is weak and cant hold on once again. Falls back into the burning inferno.

The moment the shell hits we can see another head poping out the Drivers hatch. This could very well be the Gunner, since from the position of the turret he would be situated right behing the driver.
Amazingly the shrapnel from the AP round seems to miss him.
Also this gives him precious miliseconds to get away from the Coaxical MG fire, since the Pershings gunner still has to focus right after the blast of the 90mm gun.

He then dashes away and out from the scene.

I was always fascinated by this story!
Did the radioman survive? Did the Gunner manage to dash away?

I'll never know....



MEh, I spent too much time with this story..

enigma
03-30-2007, 09:58 AM
Iirc the crew got to the German position near or around the catherdel so they got away safley.
I always thought the Tank Commander bought it, but i remember someone saying that he got out on that second attempt. I cant remember now, but i wont rewatch the video to find out :(

ShaunCowdell
03-30-2007, 11:24 AM
I dont know if its because i am not there, if its somewhat inpersonal etc but the dudes getting killed etc doesnt bother me. Ive seen many many vids of ww2 and photos but what really does effect me .... really makes me sick is when you see clips like this and iirc someone falls back into the tank ... to know hes in there burning to death.

Yep, it sounds sick but I used to view orgish quite a lot. Not because I get kicks out of seeing people dead, mutilated or whatever, but because it's reality. It has a sort of hypnotic trance on one...

So no enigma, you are correct, it's not the death that gets to me, it's the suffering. The torture... War.
Whenever I see videos like this I always try and put myself in their position. Why?... I just want to try and see how horrible it would be.
It's like a video I saw a while ago involving 4 German spies and a fireing squad. Boom they died... No biggy. BUT imagine being one of them. Put yourself in their shoes, imagine knowing you're about to die and there's not a thing that you can do! That's when it all changes from a simple video to quite a scary and distressing one.

No doubt many people are going to judge me on that post...

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-02-2007, 08:55 PM
Is it possible to get this thread stickied, because this is interesting footage, and might get lost in the forum one day.

Sgt So and So
06-03-2007, 02:36 AM
I concur. The footage here is priceless to the community, and a very interesting topic of discussion.

enigma
06-03-2007, 11:02 AM
I have made the thread a sticky and mergered it with another on on this tank fight, also did away with a few unneeded psots.

:)

[BEF]-R!G4M0RT!Z
06-03-2007, 01:44 PM
Ok, cheers Enigma :D

Wutnow
08-31-2007, 10:07 AM
great video.. thanks for posting it, quite interestingg

ajeganwalsh
02-24-2008, 09:49 PM
What the video fails to show—although the the photos show the event—is that before this panther was destroyed it struck a US M4. The film—taken by the same cameraman—shows a tank crewman exiting from the turret with his lower right leg missing and smoking from the round impact. This man quickly died although those on hand tried to save him.

I read that the photo was taken just as the Panther's shell hit the Sherman and that the wounded tanker who is getting out is in fact being blown out of the tank by the impact of the firing.I also heard he was the only survivor from the crew.Can anybody confirm this story?

infernoofdk
08-03-2008, 02:00 PM
Well, heres some video fotage of the tank and its actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_ZDBinC0XI
and here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqwLLFNC3w&feature=related

Falco
08-04-2008, 05:08 AM
thats absolutly interesting, i love ww2 cause its just so fascinating, i love history, great pics and the video.

Young
08-30-2008, 12:10 AM
Good stuff... watched this video numerous times.

Denwad
12-07-2008, 05:36 AM
((The very first shell seems to have nailed the poor gunner, thus killing him instantly; the shell hole is located on the hull in such a position that with the turret turned the position it was it severed the gunner in half.


except, in german tanks, the gunner is on the left side of the gun, not on the right like in US tanks.

Fallschirmjäger
12-07-2008, 08:26 AM
Is the locked thread option gone i see then,as before after one month or so.So will need to see on older threads of mine again if can update maybe? if needed.

Lt. Hanley
12-07-2008, 07:33 PM
Stickies don't get locked after a month, only the regular threads.

Fallschirmjäger
12-09-2008, 06:19 AM
Oh my mistake on that,did not see or know or forgot realy on the stickie thing.I do wish though the threads where not locked after a month still.

Psycho Sam
01-16-2009, 03:44 PM
Very interesting footage indeed.