revolution legal.

[Wide Awake]

Ok I am a US citizen but I am a history major(ancient, hate US boring except the roaring 20's) anyways reading into it alot this may be blasphemy but I think that the American Revolution was not really legal cause well we had representation not in parliament but when we bitched about every tax(which they had a right to put on us since America was founded to find gold ect. they wanted a profit back and since gold didn't turn up) they repealed the tax. Ben Franklin himself went to parliament to plea that the taxes be revoked and they were. So Call me a traitor but personally I am glad we removed ourselves from Britain but don't think it was quite the glorious taxation without representation bit we are told all throught school.

[enigma]

You rebelled over the fact we taxed you for us fighting a war for you ... then destoryed our tea ... blasmphermy!


Leagilty of it is a stupid question in my opinion ...

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

has there ever been a revolution that was legal? lol

[Total_Overkill]

Eurofighter;65939']has there ever been a revolution that was legal? lol

Revolutions are always legal...... if you win :D

[enigma]

i think questioning the leagaility of any war is a stupid :P

[Cias]

You rebelled over the fact we taxed you for us fighting a war for you ... then destoryed our tea ... blasmphermy!


Leagilty of it is a stupid question in my opinion ...

he is right.. we totally owned your tea

[enigma]

The Voice of London will pay you back :p

[Cias]

no where shall tea be safe from my mighty grasp... :D

[JonasDahlin]

So I read that the former United States is so desperate for medical supplies that they have allegedly sent several containers filled with wheat and tobacco. A gesture, they said, of good will. You wanna know what I think? I think it's high time we let the colonies know what we really think of them. I think its payback time for a little tea party they through for us a few hundred years ago. I say we go down to those docks tonight and dump that crap where everything from the Ulcered Sphincter of Ass-erica belongs! Who's with me? Who's bloody with me?! :D

[Manstein]

I'm pretty sure the Tea Party was directed at England, not Sweden (your location)

[Oberschutze]

theres a headline fo you:

JULY 17, 2016- ENGLAND DECLARES WAR ON UNITED STATES, PRIME MINISTER SAYS NOT ENOUGH TEA TO LAST IN ENGLAND; WANTS TO RECLAIM COLONISTS

[enigma]

I'm pretty sure the Tea Party was directed at England, not Sweden (your location)

He quoting the Voice Of London :p

[colonal chaos]

Thats funny Zynthetikk. I love V :p

[Moseman872{White Tiger}]

i think questioning the leagaility of any war is a stupid :P

I approve of that.
It's not so much the legality of a war/rebellion but rather if it's justified or not. Like in the American Revolution, Britain was being a tyrant, which is no good. We are born free men as we should live and die as free men.

[jc112586]

he is right.. we totally owned your tea

lol that made me laugh

[lazlazlaz1]

I approve of that.
It's not so much the legality of a war/rebellion but rather if it's justified or not. Like in the American Revolution, Britain was being a tyrant, which is no good. We are born free men as we should live and die as free men.

That is true Moseman, and I agree, perhaps not to the extent of being a tyrant, but certainly we were not being fair.
A war is justified in your nations opinion if you win (or are percieved to be winning by your citizens). Look at Vietnam and Iraq, these are both unpopular in USA/UK as they were/are percieved to be losing.
However Afghanistan is considered to be generally more successful, so is justified.
Of course then you have the complicated ones of Israel and Palestine, where both sides are losing and so both seem fairly unjustified to onlookers, or at least rather confusing.

So the American Revolution, justified for the Americans, rather unjustified for the English.

Oh, and if it wasnt for the French (both directly helping in America and indirectly in Europe with the French revolution and Napoleon) we would have clearly won. We did burn down your capital remember :p

[Total_Overkill]

We did burn down your capital remember :p

PWNED!!! lmao :D

[NicholasJohnson]

That was the war of 1812, unless the Brits somehow count that as part of the American Revolution, which was over in 1781. :confused:

[Total_Overkill]

That was the war of 1812, unless the Brits somehow count that as part of the American Revolution, which was over in 1781. :confused:

Yes so, wouldnt it then technically be Canada who did it?

[JonasDahlin]

It's simple. The winners = good, Losers = Evil. Any questions? :)

[Sgt So and So]

It's simple. The winners = good, Losers = Evil. Any questions? :)

buh... buh... buh... teh Vietnam!

Agreed. But I want some bloody tea, too. Damn founding fathers... dumping all the good tea into the harbor... I mean, what kind of fish even like tea?

[enigma]

Yes so, wouldnt it then technically be Canada who did it?

Colonists ;)

Canada was founded till afterwards :p


As for 1812, i havnt got an idea what the hell that was all about! :confused:
As Jackson said the other day we should all stop being so soar over our yankie cousins braking away. Were all friends now :D :p

But then again we should be happy they did, after the little civil war we established trade with the Americans and made a bucket load of money being one of the main trading partners.
Because of the war and the global war which went on, we kicked the crap out the French, Spannish and Dutch and established ourselves over an even larger area of the globe ... again making a bucket load of money :D

[NicholasJohnson]

Yes so, wouldnt it then technically be Canada who did it?

No...in 1812 the British sent troops over to the US and British troops captured D.C., I'm not sure where this "Canada" thing comes from as there was no such nation as Canada at the time (like there were no "Americans" in the French and Indian War for example) and the army that invaded the USA in 1812 was British.

And like enigma said, Americans and Brits shouldn't really be so hostile to one another with regards to the Revolution, we are friends now. After all, most of the philosophy that the Founding Fathers subscribed to was British, (i.e. John Locke) they considered themselves British, etc before finally severing the ties with the Declaration.

[Thanato]

No...in 1812 the British sent troops over to the US and British troops captured D.C., I'm not sure where this "Canada" thing comes from as there was no such nation as Canada at the time (like there were no "Americans" in the French and Indian War for example) and the army that invaded the USA in 1812 was British.

If it wasn't for the Sacking of York, then the British wouldn't of Captured and burnt down Washington DC.

Also Canadians (from Upper and Lower Canada) defeated 3 (I belive, it was a few) Invasion Armies from the United States, they were made up of Militia, Natives and Farmers. Even some Americans who had come North for the land and didn't like the Royalty.

There were some Militia men in the group that Sacked Washington I believe. Also if it wasn't for the french during the War of 1812, keeping most of the British Army in Europe then the war could of very well turned out different.

~Thanato

[NicholasJohnson]

Yes, there was the invasion of Canada (which was still a colony at the time, as I pointed out that there were no "Americans" in the USA sense in the French and Indian War, just as there were no "Canadians" as in from the nation of Canada) during the War of 1812 and the Revoultion (both attempts failed :P ), but Canada itself did not burn down D.C., that was the British army.

About France, does anyone know about the "Quasi-war" they had with the USA during the 1st Adams administration?

[JonasDahlin]

buh... buh... buh... teh Vietnam!?

Well USA lost, therefore they are evil :)

[Total_Overkill]

Yes, there was the invasion of Canada (which was still a colony at the time, as I pointed out that there were no "Americans" in the USA sense in the French and Indian War, just as there were no "Canadians" as in from the nation of Canada) during the War of 1812 and the Revoultion (both attempts failed :P ), but Canada itself did not burn down D.C., that was the British army.

Ya my knowledge of that era is a little grainy... at best :D

tanks 4 da info

[Sgt So and So]

Well USA lost, therefore they are evil :)

I understand that, but every human administration has evil in it, no matter what.

[Lord Justin]

In reply to the topic...revolution is never legal. When you think of what defines legality, it's something done within laws, which means it's okay inside a government system. But revolution is the usurpation of an entire government system, or at least a heavy modification to it :D. So legality is completely incompatible to revolution. I mean...at least I don't know of any current constitution that makes legal its own destruction...

I guess the U.S. Constitution says it's okay and wouldn't mind its own destruction, but it's gotta be done right. Not like...half the Southern states deciding they liked slavery and states' rights more they liked being conjoined with the North, and then setting up their own temporary marshal government to try to secede, and then provoking a full-scale war with the Union...I mean, that'd be ridiculous. It would never work. Hypothetically, of course.

On another note, being American, I don't think young America had as much to whine about as they thought, and I don't think the Revolution was as justified as since glorification makes it seem. We were part of the Commonwealth, and we were a colony, and we were under British jurisdiction and law.

However...I also think we were quickly growing into our own culture and national identity, beyond Britain's control or anyone's, and I think that it really had to happen. I mean, you just can't really control a mess of ragtag rabble-rousers like yankee doodle. You Brits had it coming :D

[Appleskates]

"Legalization" of war is stupid. So long as there are countries there will be wars.