The Afghan Mission

[Thanato]

With mounting Casualties should we (Canadians) continue the Afghan Mission?

For One, I say yes. It is a nobal mission and we owe it to the fallen to continue their work.

~Thanato

[Moseman872{White Tiger}]

This doesn't exactly pertain to this, but isn't the Iraq war a noble and valiant effort, and shouldn't we continue to honor our dead?

[Saden]

With mounting Casualties should we (Canadians) continue the Afghan Mission?

For One, I say yes. It is a nobal mission and we owe it to the fallen to continue their work.

~Thanato


Noble.

Yeah, I think we should continue it, I don't believe that we are wasting lives in Afghanistan, I think that we're just spending them for a good cause.

[PhantomZero]

Iraq is what Osama Bin Laden was expecting Afghanistan to be like, insurgency and the like. Since things didn't go the way he planned we shook up his little terrorist network, we still need to secure Iraq and continue hunting him down until these radicals can be stopped before they detonate a nuclear device.

[Saden]

Iraq is what Osama Bin Laden was expecting Afghanistan to be like, insurgency and the like. Since things didn't go the way he planned we shook up his little terrorist network, we still need to secure Iraq and continue hunting him down until these radicals can be stopped before they detonate a nuclear device.

I think Bush infiltrated into your account, and posted that.

[JonasDahlin]

Watched a bit too much 24 have we PhantomZero? or should I call you Jack Bauer?

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

I agree with PhantomZero. What's this about Bush infiltrating his account? I thought you guys believed he was too stupid? Wham! Another liberal objective eliminated.

If you guys support the soldiers then you have to support the war. If you support the soldier but not the war then you aren't supporting the soldier at all. You can't have it both ways. Supporting the soldier is more than sending care packages, it's also supporting what he's risking his life for every day, the mission, freedom for an oppressed country. Many of you other people don't truly know what freedom is as a country, likely because freedom isn't part of the government ruling over your heads.

[Saden]

Look at the way he wrote it. Where the fuck would they get a nuclear bomb from? Russia? This isn't the Cold War anymore.

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

Iran dude. Where have you been? As far as I'm concerned Iran is way more trigger happy than Afghan insurgents. Don't even start with the "Iran doesn't have nukes, it's a ploy by Bush" shit. Iran already declared they have it.

[Total_Overkill]

Look at the way he wrote it. Where the fuck would they get a nuclear bomb from? Russia? This isn't the Cold War anymore.

There is only 4 truely possible sources, 1 they managed to recover/steal/buy an old USSR nuke (theres alot of them, and several unaccounted for), 2 they did some dealings with North Korea (yes, unlikely in the broader scope of things but more possible then other avenues), 3 Same deal as #2 but with Pakistan, 4 They secretly managed to build one on their own

i would like to point out that #2 and #4 are compairably a minimal threat, they would be the equivalent of a dirty bomb, not a true nuke like #1 and #3

[Thanato]

Iran dude. Where have you been? As far as I'm concerned Iran is way more trigger happy than Afghan insurgents. Don't even start with the "Iran doesn't have nukes, it's a ploy by Bush" shit. Iran already declared they have it.

I believe those nukes are ones they got from the US (can't remember why) but they do not have the codes for the bombs thus they are usless.

Also STAY ON TOPIC! I will start deleting posts that are about Nuclear weapons and Iran and what not. . . this is about the Afghan Mission.

~Thanato

[JonasDahlin]

My question is, when did everyone start getting so paranoid?
So what if iran has a couple of nukes? If someone really wanted to blow up a nuke in the US or any other country they would have already done it by now.
Shit, I mean I cloud make a 10 hour drive in to russia, steal som uranium from a deposit (they are not that well guarded, I can tell you that), and if I got the right equiment I could easily make a dirty bomb in my very own house. You know this is the internet age, nothing is impossible.

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

One more thing on the nukes. We never ever give nukes away. Well except for when Clinton gave some to China. Fucking retard. Iran just recently said they had it so they must have fabricated it somehow, actually it's not that hard considering a high school kid in the US built his own nuclear reactor (given back to him after the CIA found it not powerful enought to do anything, couldn't even light a lightbulb).

Well Iran is pretty close to pushing a button. Judging by how they chant "Death to America" every Friday morning (don't worry Europe once we are gone they will be after you guys too) and they don't fear death at all. They would without hesitation push the button even at the cost of a nuclear warhead exchange over the Atlantic Ocean.

Ok so many of you say we should pull-out. Well then if we do don't be surprised when Al-Qaeda once again knocks on our doors with a hijacked plane. Actually "knocks" isn't the right term, more like "blows up your door". Seriously with Al-Qaeda in disarray being occupied by running away from our troops they cannot plan another attack. I think this would be over alot sooner if Pakistan does better than a half-ass job of finding the terror camps.

Zynthetikk don't diss 24! It's an awsome show!

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

You've gotta finish what you've started. I think leaving is no option.
As for Iran. Iran has always the little annoying country. Thats why US helped saddam fight him but it turned out bad and US had to fight saddam in the end lol. I always wondered why US did invade afghanistan and iraq but not iran. I see way more reasons to attack them. But on the other hand Iran likes to be annoying, in the end they wont attack they wont drop a nuke trust me. They just like to be annoying and with things like that they can gain some power which theyre very greedy for...

[Total_Overkill]

One more thing on the nukes. We never ever give nukes away. Well except for when Clinton gave some to China. Fucking retard.

SHHH! no one tell Bravo that America gave Canada a nuke... Shhh! I said shh!!! lol


Well Iran is pretty close to pushing a button. Judging by how they chant "Death to America" every Friday morning (don't worry Europe once we are gone they will be after you guys too) and they don't fear death at all. They would without hesitation push the button even at the cost of a nuclear warhead exchange over the Atlantic Ocean.

I am quite sure the very second Iran launches a single nuke, America will launch 10... America may have a nuclear disaster at home if they fail to shoot it down, and Iran will no longer exist... anywhere. The rest of the world will still be intact (unless China and Russia flip out and nuke random places, but if they dont) most likely the planet will suffer some global nuclear induced weather and radiation side effects... Fingers crossed on the fact that only America and Iran trade nukes, not everybody elsewhere >.<


Zynthetikk don't diss 24! It's an awsome show!

Heh ya its a great "suspense" show

[Total_Overkill]

Eurofighter;66701']I always wondered why US did invade afghanistan and iraq but not iran.

Invasion of Afghanistan was based on nothing but revenge (which i whole heartedly support btw), its initially the whole opperation was just about bombing Al-Queda strongholds and capturing Bin-Laden (... who was supposedly once a CIA op. :rolleyes: go figure) I didnt have a problem with the US cluster bombing desert mountains in unpopulated areas in order to kill their enemies but the second they decided to become all humanitarion and say that their here to liberate the Afghan ppl and rid them of the Taliban and Al-Queda... bad move, you just lost your exit strategy. As for Iraq... that was nothing but personal gain, you cannot legitamise it.

America should have skipped the Iraq invasion and gone after Iran... (you might have actually FOUND WMD's there ;) )

[Sgt So and So]

I am quite sure the very second Iran launches a single nuke, America will launch 10... America may have a nuclear disaster at home if they fail to shoot it down, and Iran will no longer exist... anywhere. The rest of the world will still be intact (unless China and Russia flip out and nuke random places, but if they dont) most likely the planet will suffer some global nuclear induced weather and radiation side effects...
Hmm... that reminds me...
The End Of the World! (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php)
:D

[Fallschirmjäger]

They should have dealt with this place first before even thinking about iraq realy,it was no danger realy by the looks and when it was fixed or calm then maybe think about doing something in iraq,but not the way they have dealt with it now.

[MadK]

The brother of my friend is in there... all I can say is, good luck.


Hmm... that reminds me...
The End Of the World! (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php)
:D

ROFL!

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

Oh no not that again. My friends saw it and repeated ever single word from that for 3 months! I practically memorized it before I saw it myself.

[SpicEwEazle]

the whole "war on terror" is a frigging joke. Iraq and it's oil was always the target, Afghanistan had to be attacked to make george bush's crusade seem legit.
Afghanistan is the only part of this entire thing I evenly remotely agree with, and it was botched from the start. at the begining there were far too few troops on the ground and most of al-queda fled. The pakistani leadership will do little as there is a large muslim population in pakistan, and population that hates America. Now the U.S will be stuck indefinitely in afghanistan because the moment they leave the warlords will be at it again, fighting over opium crops.

as for Iraq, well it was and always will be and illegal war. Iraqi civillians were better of under Sadam then they are now and U.S sanctions against iraq probably killed far more civillians then he ever did. The U.S is there for oil and moneynothing else. IF the U.S "stays the course" there will be a great many more casualties, both civillians and military.


now on to Iran. sure they probably do have nukes, but they are not stupid enough to use them.

One important fact the we must remember in all of this is that it was not long ago that both iraq, and iran where allies of the U.S, supported and supplied.The current theocracy in Iran has lot to with the U.S overthrowing a democratically elected leader to install a pupped dictator. Al-queda are only profficient in explosice becuase the U.S trained them when they were fighting the russians.

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

I strongly disagree with you there. As for when we supplied them in the past, those were different times, and those times were only about defeating the commies.

[Xeathos]

Well, I don't really understand why we are in Afgan in the first place. They havn't attacked us at all.. I mean now with all the casulities I feel we must compleat the mission.. But in the beggining.. Why did we let our selves get sucked in? *(as canadians)*

[Chukada]

Well, I don't really understand why we are in Afgan in the first place. They havn't attacked us at all.. I mean now with all the casulities I feel we must compleat the mission.. But in the beggining.. Why did we let our selves get sucked in? *(as canadians)*

The Afgans are a old and proud people, who managed to defeated the Soviet Union Army in its prime. They value freedom and nationhood. The Afgans were being tormented and opressed by the Taliban.

If I am wrong please correct my mistake.

[Thanato]

Also the fact that Terrorists lived there.

Also belive it or not 54 people is a very small price to pay to give freedom to the people.

~Thanato

[CBowling]

People are saying that Iran is not stupid enough to use Nukes.


That is quite wrong I am afraid.


The belief that the President of Iran holds is that the Islamic Nation must suffer a "wound' or "great attack", and then, the Messiah will come back and save them. So, in order to trigger this "great attack" he may nuke Israel, because he knows there would be great retribution.

Whether this is true or not? *shrugs* I am not saying, I am Christian so I don't believe it, but those of Islamic origin on here may.

But basically, this shows that, if he gets them, he will PROBABLY use them.


But I digress so that the conversation can get back on topic

[Chukada]

Its a shame, mankind has always twisted religion for their benifet. :(

[Swede]

UMMM were the hell did Iraq, Iran nukes come from? THIS IS About Afghanistan.

now Canada isn't really there for fighting the terrorist but more so of rebuilding Afghanistan and be leave it or not but YES we are rebuilding it its just the media only focuses on the "BAD" parts of the war and not that more schools were opened banks and so on and helping afghan farmers getting there tractors unstuck in the mud. But always on Another roadside bomb exploded killing some one.

so in short YES we should be there you just have to start searching for whats really going on and not just rely on what the media tells you because most of the stuff they talk about to make make things seem a lot worst then it really is.

[enigma]

My question is, when did everyone start getting so paranoid?
So what if iran has a couple of nukes? If someone really wanted to blow up a nuke in the US or any other country they would have already done it by now.
Shit, I mean I cloud make a 10 hour drive in to russia, steal som uranium from a deposit (they are not that well guarded, I can tell you that), and if I got the right equiment I could easily make a dirty bomb in my very own house. You know this is the internet age, nothing is impossible.

Am surprised that you were last on around 7 hours ago and that the Feds have bungled you off somewhere :p


Anyhoo for the topic on hand, stay the course :)

[SpicEwEazle]

People are saying that Iran is not stupid enough to use Nukes.


That is quite wrong I am afraid.


The belief that the President of Iran holds is that the Islamic Nation must suffer a "wound' or "great attack", and then, the Messiah will come back and save them. So, in order to trigger this "great attack" he may nuke Israel, because he knows there would be great retribution.

Whether this is true or not? *shrugs* I am not saying, I am Christian so I don't believe it, but those of Islamic origin on here may.

But basically, this shows that, if he gets them, he will PROBABLY use them.


But I digress so that the conversation can get back on topic
WoW, just wow.:confused:

seriously the iranian president is no fool. He will use his WMD's as leverage and try for concessions. he has no desire to get his entire nation killed. He will not make the first strike, he'll only retaliate.

Oh and Bravo "fighting the commies" is no excuse, it was that reckless and completely immoral foreign policy that has brought about the current situation. The past always comes back to bite you in the ass.


now back to afghanistan how do you ever expect to create stability in that country? The government is full of warlords trying to serve their own interest, as soon as foreign troops leave it will turn back into a shit hole. The only way stability is ever going to be achieved is to remove the influence of warlords completely( i really don't see this happening), or let them fight it out till one wins, and hope he isn't a complete tool.

[D.O.A]

The Afghan Mission should of been finished off before going after Saddam. After pushing the Terrorists back into Pakistan alot of troops were pulled out before proper security had been setup for the people of Afghanistan. Terrorist move back in as we fight a war in Iraq, its only in the last year we stepped up our pressure again in Afghanistan, I said to my wife watch this all go tits ups in Afghanistan we won't finish off what we started in 2001, not enough troops to do the job and feck all for the people as in rebuilding there lives.

As for Iran having the bomb...lmfao

There are at least 2 years from having enough weapons-grade uranium for one bomb