Islamic extremism ? Or guerilla warfare?

[343Guiltyspark]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb4_1174174085

THIS VIDEO SHOWS AN ATTACK ON A TANK THAT RESULTED IN DEATH OF THE OCCUPANTS

BE WARNED



The reason i am showing you this video is the fact that it blew my mind

This is one of the most impressive things i have seen caught on video in my

life. (:mad:IN NO WAY DO I SUPPORT THE ACT:mad:)


If you watch the video you will be suprised to see the attacker do somthing unexpected .......



SPOILER



He leaves the bomb and detonates it from a distance instead of the typical suicide approch to attacks in Iraq.

So it brings the question


Islamic extremism ? or guerilla warfare?

[Vott]

Both?

[bowman]

I dont know what to think. This video looks a little fishy. The "tank" (looks like a bradley) is just sitting there not moving at all, no turrent or parascope movement at all. It is sitting still for a very long which makes it unbelievable. Also I dont know how easy it is to sneak up on a tank. And to answer your question I think it is a little bit of both. It is most certainly guerilla warfare, with fanatical extremisim.

[Sgt So and So]

It's guerrilla warfare for the sake of Islamic Extremism. The fighters have finally realized that the loss of manpower caused by suicide bombings has to stop if they intend to win.

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

It's relatively easy to sneak up on armored vehicles. Especially when the periscope is up on top and your crouching on the side. I think one of two things allowed the Bradley to be blown up as it did: the occupants were busy on whatever they do inside helping the infantry, or the vehicle was abandoned for whatever reason unseen by the camera. I believe that the latter is more likely considering that it's engines are off, the turret is pointed in the 12 o'clock position, and that vehicles are usually stripped of usable equipment and later taken away by a M88 recovery vehicle. If not then the Bradley takes on the role as a mobile command post/close support unit. Take also into consideration that this may be the signal for the start of an ambush because soon after a firefight ensues.

[Commando Santa]

I bet there was nobody in the tank

[Cias]

that wasnt a tank, it was a bradley. also looks like its unmanned, rather silly to leave an expensive non heavy armored vehicle layin around like that lol

[enigma]

It's guerrilla warfare for the sake of Islamic Extremism. The fighters have finally realized that the loss of manpower caused by suicide bombings has to stop if they intend to win.

Deep in the Iraqi desert there is a training centre for sucide bombers, there first class was made up of 50 people.
After weeks of intensive training and due to the success of their training methods, they had been wittled down to 3 men ... who were summerily dimissed for not completly there training, they then realised the error of there ways :p

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

Deep in the Iraqi desert there is a training centre for sucide bombers, there first class was made up of 50 people.
After weeks of intensive training and due to the success of their training methods, they had been wittled down to 3 men ... who were summerily dimissed for not completly there training, they then realised the error of there ways :p

Are there any experienced suicide bombers?

[2ltben]

It's guerrilla warfare for the sake of Islamic Extremism. The fighters have finally realized that the loss of manpower caused by suicide bombings has to stop if they intend to win.
Not necessarily. This isn't some radical change. Insugents have used IEDs just as long as they've used car bombs.

What makes me sick is one insurgent who left his two kids in a car he blew up while he took off.

[|:XAS:| Bravo]

What makes me sick is one insurgent who left his two kids in a car he blew up while he took off.

Amen. This is one of many stories much like this all over Iraq. How does this not phase the man into guilt by the evil he's just committed? I don't know any persons in the world who would dare to think such a thing, and then actually do it!

[2ltben]

Are there any experienced suicide bombers?
I could see how. Dry runs, training to stay hidden and not draw attention to oneself, mental preparation. There's plenty of things to be considered other than pressing a button. What if the suicide bomber gets stopped at a checkpoint before he reaches his target? Bombings are coordinated, its not just get near a crowd and blow yourself up. Sometimes bombings are even coordinated with attacks on checkpoints and outposts, to make them easier to approach.

[SWAT Pointman]

Guilty Spark, where's your proof that somebody was in the tank?

[Blame Canada]

I don't know why, but this thread made me think of this clip from The West Wing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VatPKqTgzh4

[DavidUpton]

I have seen a post on this before, and there was debate as to whether or not the tank was occupied or not.

In my opinion the whole thing is rather suspect. No sensible crew of any armoured vehicle would sit for such a length of time without moving or checking their surroundings for the enemy. Also, I think it is safe to say that the engine is off, in which case I believe they would have heard the guy (it doesn't exactly look like he was being all that quiet).

On the other hand, I don't understand why a perfectly good armoured vehicle would be abandoned like that.

As for the actual question at hand, the answer is quite simple. This single case is an example of guerilla warfare. However, in the wider picture both guerilla warfare and Islamic extremism exists. Iraq is, at the end of the day, an ivaded country. While some might welcome our presence, others don't. Ultimately, the suicide bombers are the extremists, and the insurgents are guerillas. Both of these are fighting the same war, however, and can be mistaken as being the same thing.

[Bunglo]

No one was in that bradley. I've seen that vid a few months ago, the crew of an armored vehicle is allowed to abandon it if it's absolutely necessary. Just look at the setting of the video. No one is around, there's a lonesome bradley by it's self with the engine off. An insurgent was allowed to stand in front of the bradley with a camera while another insurgent "sneaks" up on the bradley. Oh, and the video doesn't keep rolling until the smoke has cleared, it fades into a scene with something on fire (you can't even see what's on fire because there's so much smoke.) It's all propaganda, that's the only part of this war the insurgents can win.

[OliverMarshall]

I saw a program abotu British soldiers in Afghanistan and one of them said "It's what i'd be doing if they were in my back yeard" referring to the insurgent attacks. He's right, I mean if someone invaded my country and I was consantly being told of abuse stories it's probably what i'd be doing!

[Saden]

No one was in that bradley. I've seen that vid a few months ago, the crew of an armored vehicle is allowed to abandon it if it's absolutely necessary. Just look at the setting of the video. No one is around, there's a lonesome bradley by it's self with the engine off. An insurgent was allowed to stand in front of the bradley with a camera while another insurgent "sneaks" up on the bradley. Oh, and the video doesn't keep rolling until the smoke has cleared, it fades into a scene with something on fire (you can't even see what's on fire because there's so much smoke.) It's all propaganda, that's the only part of this war the insurgents can win.

Who cares? They took out an APC? They took out a multi million dollar peice of military hardware, and I doubt he was just standing there filming. They were probably in a car, read to get out if it all went to hell like in the Juba videos, he's in a car, he wont be standing there filming the Americans getting shot.

[Bunglo]

Who cares? They took out an APC? They took out a multi million dollar peice of military hardware, and I doubt he was just standing there filming. They were probably in a car, read to get out if it all went to hell like in the Juba videos, he's in a car, he wont be standing there filming the Americans getting shot.

??? I never said "who cares", I'm saying no one was in it. There's no way that a guy can just pull up in a car in front of the bradley and just sit there with out the crew suspecting something. And if the thing was abandoned like I'm pretty sure it was, there was obviously something wrong with it where they couldn't repair it because they didn't have the necessary tools or the area they were in was too dangerous at the time. I honestly don't know if there was or wasn't people in the bradley but I don't think there was. And what's funny is that even after the bomb goes off, no one gets out of the bradley, you don't even hear any one screaming "shit, get the f*ck out!" or anything. And I know that the crew wouldn't instantly be killed when a bomb goes off... The whole scene is supect, like many insurgent videos.