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Mastershake16
01-08-2008, 08:47 PM
I didn't vote, My brother had no school but i go to school in Mass. so i was bummed. Hopefully my parents voted well.

I personally like McCain

75thDeadMan
01-08-2008, 09:53 PM
I never saw the point in voting in primaries. Its just an estimate and it really doesn't mean anything. You should know if your doing good or not. Saying that, I'm glad there is one so candidates can continue to express their thoughts/ideas, but the voting seems worthless until the actual election.

Also, my pick is Richardson.

Oddvin
01-08-2008, 10:36 PM
Even though I'm no American i would have to say that Ron Paul ought to be the next president!

NicholasJohnson
01-09-2008, 12:45 AM
Even though I'm no American i would have to say that Ron Paul ought to be the next president!

Ron Paul Newsletters (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca)



“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

:daisy: Those are quotes from Ron Paul's Newsletters. He claims that "a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit."

McCoy [1st RB]
01-09-2008, 04:27 AM
I'd vote anythingbuthillaryclinton!

Lt. Hanley
01-09-2008, 05:13 AM
;91171']I'd vote anythingbuthillaryclinton!

QFT

75thDeadMan
01-09-2008, 06:06 PM
Thats the problem now. You almost have to vote against someone rather then for someone.

OliverMarshall
01-09-2008, 06:21 PM
Obama!

lazlazlaz1
01-10-2008, 12:33 AM
From what I've heard Obama does sound the best to me. He seems to have some good home policies, he also the only one I've heard who has actually mentioned any home policies beyond internal terrorism.
Of course I'm not American, so I don't really know (or care much, so long as they don't force us into yet another war (except against Iran maybe :P))

2ltben
01-10-2008, 11:21 AM
There will be no Democratic candidate outside of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, or John Edwards. There will be no Republican candidate outside of Mitt Romney, John McCain, or Mike Huckabee. I believe the nation's two most important primaries proved this to be true, and this will stand unless Rudy Giuliani has one hell of an ace up his sleeve.

Some people take this much too seriously for my tastes. I treat this like sport, because it essentially is.

PhantomZero
01-13-2008, 05:03 PM
I never saw the point in voting in primaries. Its just an estimate and it really doesn't mean anything. You should know if your doing good or not. Saying that, I'm glad there is one so candidates can continue to express their thoughts/ideas, but the voting seems worthless until the actual election.


The primaries determine who becomes the party's presidential nominee (You can only have one.)

The method of voting in the primaries also varies from state to state and party to party.

Also, Ron Paul is crazy and the internet users demographic isn't one of the better ones to shoot for.

2ltben
01-13-2008, 06:30 PM
Ron Paul is making the mistake of using his attention to garner votes and not raise attention to the issues he's running on. In the most Democratic districts, there will always be that one conservative Republican handing out pamphlets and organizing people to raise attention to income tax laws and tax breaks. Why? Because if someone's getting elected in his district, its going to be over his issues. That's what American democracy is.

mehhH.
01-13-2008, 06:41 PM
Obama is the only one who doesnt have their head up their own arse.

2ltben
01-13-2008, 08:24 PM
Obama is the only one who doesnt have their head up their own arse.
That's just subscribing to popular politics and punditry. Senator wants to fund public schools and turn them into the cathedrals they should rightfully be, but does so on NASA's already failing budget. NASA pulled funding on everything to put money into the Constellation program, and Obama's taking $18 billion a year from NASA and putting into public education reform. Why isn't this coming from corporate welfare? Why is money for education coming from a thing that education creates? Why are the ends being sacrificed for the means if the means are just going to supply the ends of Europe and not America? I'm probably still going to be a Theoretical Physicist and the one reason I'm staying out of NASA is because its underfunded to the point where it can no longer function as a proper agency of exploration.

Senator Obama wants to turn the Midwest into our nation's fuel source by passing protectionist legislation on Ethanol imports and leaving the question of where our food is going to come from up in the air. I agree with funding alternate fuel sources as much as the next man, but if it comes at the cost of free trade, what will that transform the country into? Brazil? If "liberal" America turns to Protectionism when it comes to funding alternate energy, "liberal" America will probably turn towards protectionism in other economic matters. What happened to a liberal America in support of free trade? What happened to free trade creates freedom and economic opportunity?

The Senator calls for military expansions that may only be met by involuntary terms of one or two years and supports the ideals of stability and democracy, just not its actual practice because that means we have expectations to live up to. The Senator responded to a question on whether or not to make military incursions and bombing raids into Pakistan's northwest territory, where al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist cells do operate and where Pakistani rule of law is a joke, even after having been denied permission by the Pakistani government. He speaks of justice and stability and democracy for all for ever and ever amen, but has turned around in a practical scenario and said he would violate the sovereignty of another nation and place its civilians at risk all for the sake of a campaign that would likely increase strength of such radical groups tenfold, not to mention place the Pakistani government in a position to cooperate with such radical groups, even if only covertly.

The Senator met with Israel to compliment them on their peace efforts, and then, when meeting with the Palestinian Authority, called the election of Hamas a fraud. Even if Fatah didn't have a militant wing just like Hamas, how does he expect peace and democracy to come to a nation where its minority opinion is violently suppressed by its police force? Peace and democracy come to a one-party state? Unlikely.

No, I'd say Senator Obama's head is lodged firmly in his ass, just like the rest of the candidates.

Oddvin
01-13-2008, 09:34 PM
Politicians in general nowadays only serve their own good. That is a major change from what it was before, were politicians served their country and not their lobbyist sponsors nor their own self interest.

masasa
01-13-2008, 09:59 PM
People who don't vote for Ron Paul don't see what is happening to their country.

They don't know that/why the economy is failing.
They don't know why terrorist attack US.
They don't know what freedom means.
They don't know why US has national debt of 9 trillion.
They don't know how corrupt congress and mainstream media is.

Oddvin
01-13-2008, 10:39 PM
I would vote for Ron Paul for the simple reason that i think that he will do what he feels is best for the country! He thinks about his country instead of his own wallet.

Terrorists would still attack the western world, for them it is not a matter of freedom or whatever your politicians say. It is all about their lust for conquest, and their desire to follow the word of their prophet Muhammed. For them it is Jihad, holy war!

masasa
01-13-2008, 10:57 PM
Terrorists would still attack the western world, for them it is not a matter of freedom or whatever your politicians say. It is all about their lust for conquest, and their desire to follow the word of their prophet Muhammed. For them it is Jihad, holy war!

There is always some nuthead who can be described as you did. But generally you are wrong.

I can't see how anyone can think that suicide bombers think conquests or have lust for power when they blow themself up. That doesn't make any sense.

And you are wrong about Muhammed. Islam is a religion of peace just like most religions are. Bhutto had it right when she said that suicide bomber are not real muslims, because Islam condemns such acts.

According to CIA the reason terrorism is growing and is targeting US is blowback from US foreign policies.

These US actions have provoked terrorism

- Supporting Israel
- Having military bases in muslim holy lands
- Supporting dictators
- Overthrowing governments(Iran)
- Occupying countries(Iraq)
- Bombing Iraq for a decade
- Stealing oil
- Starting embargos
- Collateral damage

2ltben
01-14-2008, 12:30 AM
Politicians in general nowadays only serve their own good. That is a major change from what it was before, were politicians served their country and not their lobbyist sponsors nor their own self interest.
I can think of cases where this easily extends back to Andrew Jackson. I can think of cases where this extends back to the Magna Carta. The founding fathers were scared to death of the common man and Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government, except for all the other ones.

The same people who think that terrorists are all Muslims who hate freedom are the same who think we should cut foreign aid and keep American money in America. Unfortunately the world just doesn't work that way. When you cut funding for schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan, these children attend madrasas and receive what I spit when I say is an education, which teach nothing but fundamentalist interpretations of the Qu'ran. When you cut medical aid to Burundi and Rwanda, you don't get a greater response from the private sector, you just get more infomercials for Feed the Children every Sunday morning.

You don't fight terror with guns, tanks, and $400 ashtrays, you fight terror with medicine, education, and responsibility as a chief economic power. We shouldn't be fighting ideology with military strength, we should be fighting ideology with idealism and a legitimate hope for the future, not America's future, but the hope for the future of the son of a Malawi wheat farmer in the middle of a season-long drought who gets actual medical aid and access to a decent school system. A hope that his son may have an education and may do something good with his life instead of forcing the next generation to remain illiterate or, worse, be taught to hate the West and die for radical Islam in one of these corrupted madrasas.

Sgt So and So
01-14-2008, 01:12 AM
True that, Ben. True that.

lazlazlaz1
01-14-2008, 02:05 AM
NASA pulled funding on everything to put money into the Constellation program, and Obama's taking $18 billion a year from NASA and putting into public education reform. Why isn't this coming from corporate welfare?

It wouldn't be underfunded if it didn't spend quite so much on the pointless search for aliens.

DarkCanuck
01-14-2008, 05:12 AM
Thats the problem now. You almost have to vote against someone rather then for someone.

Well said!

I would really love to see on the ballets a choice of "None of The Above".

PhantomZero
01-14-2008, 12:48 PM
NASA pulled funding on everything to put money into the Constellation program, and Obama's taking $18 billion a year from NASA and putting into public education reform.

NASA doesn't have $18 billion a year to have taken away from them. NASA has been underbudget about $1 billion since 2004 when President Bush declared his Vision for Space Exploration Program and Congress refused to give them any more funding for it. NASA has had to cut back on alot of educational and scientific program for it and they are still behind schedule.



It wouldn't be underfunded if it didn't spend quite so much on the pointless search for aliens.

Please tell me how much NASA spends on the pointless search for aliens. Or are you confusing NASA with SETI? I only ask because im looking at NASA's 2008 budget estimates (http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/168652main_NASA_FY08_Budget_Request.pdf) and i'm not seeing anything relating to aliens. Yes SETI will sometimes get sponsorships from NASA but it mostly comes from corporations and individuals.

Thankfully though, NASA gained $1.3 billion from the Commerce, Justice, and Science Appropriations Bill for 2008 and hopefully they will continue to receive more funding in the years to come.

Where the American taxpayer's money goes. (http://www.thebudgetgraph.com/site/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1&zenid=2b4032421cc45b2bb8c7737ac13705d6)




Well said!

I would really love to see on the ballets a choice of "None of The Above".

Then stay at home. Abstain from voting, its the same thing as "None of the Above". It is a democracy and there is no law that requires you to vote. Infact, many Americans don't vote.