Were the moon landings faked?

[Lt. Hanley]

July 20, 1969. Neil Armstrong is making his way down the ladder toward the surface of the moon. A breathless world watches as he takes man's first steps on the...New Mexican desert inside a warehouse??? wtf!? :surprised:

So, do you believe the moon landings from July 1969 to December 1972 were faked? If so, why? Discuss.

[icecoldbeerer]

I think they are real because I personally have seen some go off and live very close to mission control...no use for it to still be big if it was all a fake.

And if it was a fake, you would think big name people would support the conspiracy. The only people I know that believe that also talk to bigfoot and have a "skunkape" in their backyard. Not the smartest or hardest to convince bunch.

[Captain Miller]

Instead of supplying my own facts, I believe I'll blindly follow the media this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lh1xY4A6Xc

Every time I watch that it makes me feel a very pure sort of joy.
:daisy:

OMG AN BTW WI EVOLVD FRM BIGFOOTZ. JUTS SO YU KNO

Wow, that last bit actually took a lot of effort to type out.

[SuperSoldier]

Let's see, if it was fake maybe their biggest rival at the time might have said something about it. Now who could that be, only the only other superpower at the time.

[NicholasJohnson]

This kind of ties in with the "school geography bee" thread, but a girl I knew was taught in middle school that the moon landings were faked.

Who told her this? Her DOD School teacher. Needless to say, her AF parents weren't too happy.

[Fallschirmjäger]

Well after seeing this documentry on it being fake on them going to the moon(forget the name),i sort of think they never got there.Like they made it into space of course,but if went to the moon,how come they have never gone back there in all this time?

Like if someone goes up there soon(is it china i think?) and shows us the objects,flag etc... they left up there etc..,then it will be true.If there not there,it will be one of the biggest cover ups or fakes of all time realy.

[silentsniper_42]

Well after seeing this documentry on it being fake on them going to the moon(forget the name),i sort of think they never got there.Like they made it into space of course,but if went to the moon,how come they have never gone back there in all this time?

Like if someone goes up there soon and shows us the objects they left up there etc..,then it will be true.If there not there,it will be one of the biggest cover ups or fakes of all time realy.
Because not much more needs to be known about the moon. We landed on the moon, we did tests later, we went there, done that, and we are finished. It takes money to do that shit. We aren't going to waste money on something we already know about.

[Fallschirmjäger]

They did so for the whole surface of the moon?,and then they wont need to go back there anytime soon.But thought they where,or thats china,and if they see those u.s objects there then i will believe it,till then im not thinking realy they made it.

[NicholasJohnson]

By this logic, if China makes it to the moon, who is to say they won't fake it as well?

[Bunglo]

I personally believe it was real. I mean, there shouldn't be a debate that the US landed on the moon, because we did. The debate should be if we faked the video of the moon landing and then later went to the moon so Russia would believe we went there when the video was aired.

Apparently, Russia is going to try and land on the moon between 2012-2014 if the government funds it (which doesn't seem likely). NASA is still aiming for their 2018 moon landing.

And I think some of you have the China thing mixed up with the possible mission to Mars. Russia wants to work with China to get to Mars by 2020 (again, I highly doubt this) and NASA has yet to reveal their planes for their mission to mars, but it will once again be a race.

[Fallschirmjäger]

Nicholas im not shure if it was china,it could be the u.s too,as they would need to get up there first to actualy put some of the objects actualy there.Like there is no saying they did not get into space,but this documentry said lots of things that changed my mind,like for those days and the euipment just seems that the moon was to far away and what they ahd could not make it or work there?.

When they go up again,which hope before im dead,i will see what happens and go from there.And this should be my last post i think as dont want to get to carried away and maybe end up arguing about it,if i could remember the name of the show,and if you saw it maybe would have 2nd thoughts too.But then maybe i just a big sucker and fall for these shows easily,but it was good,what do they call it a skeptic etc....(may have to come back if remember them)
:sleeping2:

[Neo]

haha. cheers for this hanley. i'm just about to leave for a lecture, but when i get back, this thread will have a piece of my mind! [and a whole lotta links]

[Katulobotomia]

Yes.

[DavidUpton]

Yes.

Based on... what?

[KarstenViese]

Well its strange that just because J.F. Kennedy promised that the US would reach the moon before the end of the decade in 1962 they actually got there only 7 years later... they were very keen to live out the dream of the only US martyr in recent times.

But its strange that what they back then could do in only 7 years time no-one has been able to do since.

Not even the US themselves.

[Neo]

here we are then boys. if you have time, i've got this documentary off YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOItuKm5UE

I know you can't trust all documentaries, because they're going to be biased either way, but they do bring up song interesting facts.

also found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwyY2DzO2I

I call lol.

[Oddvin]

The moonlanding were real i my opinion. I am all to reliable to believe the government lies, but about this.....nah i do not think so.

[NicholasJohnson]

The only people I know that believe that also talk to bigfoot and have a "skunkape" in their backyard

You forgot the other beliefs:

Chemtrails
Roswell
Yeti
Bad Alien Medicine
Xenu
Nessie
Wal-Mart Detention Centers
Black Helicopters
Alien Hybrid Children
Alien Abuduction
Alien Autopsy
Alien Implants
Alien Orgies/gang rape
Batboy
9/11 done by Jews/USAF/ChimpyMcHitler
Reptilian Conspiracy
Free Masons
Zionists
Illuminati
HOT SEXY CHICKS RULE THE WORLD SECRETLY
Rove Plots to create FEMA death camps administered by Wal-Mart employees
JFK shot by George dubya
Glore
Mind Control
WRIGHT PATTERSON AFB
Pink Elephants
Men in Black
Snake Children
Che Guevara's death in Iraq at the hands of Bush
The Matrix (apparently it was a documentary)
The Papal Conspiracy
the "round earth" hoax
4/15 Truth
Tinfoil hats
Microchips
McCartney is Dead
NWO
Satanic Plot

and......

Dungeons & Dragons Cult


:dunce:

I think that "d4v" agrees with the moon landing being fake:

http://www.redorchestragame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7124

[biggles]

lads, you do know that there was more than 1 moonlanding, right?

There were 6 american moonlandings from the years 1969 to 1972. I am serious. These facts isn't very well known these days, but that's the truth. People who thinks that Armstrongs journey was the only one, needs to rethink.

To every logical "fact" that has "proved" the fake of it all, has there been a logical answer, who proves that it could have happened up there etc.

The astronaut Alan Shepard even golfed on the moon. Why would anyone fake something like that?

Except for the idea of a moonbase, there was no real reason to go up there again during the 80s and the 90s.

You know, I don't get this fuzz about "not going up there anymore". After the first times, the american public didn't really care that much. Not until Apollo 13 almost ended with a catastrophic boom or somewhat like that, did they gain interest again.

[KarstenViese]

Well scientist still explore the deep sea whether the public finds it interesting or not.

[biggles]

My point is, people make so much fuzz about it now, when only a year after the first landing noone gave a dime?

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

dude the whole USA is fake I bet if i fly there they'll laugh at me and say ''haha! youre in china now!''
So prove to me the united states excists!

For your information this is an example on the view for the moonlandings...
Owh and Nicholas you've forgotten elvis! :p

[biggles]

Also heard the "U.S doesn't exist argument!" lol, and apparently the 10ish times I've been over there doesn't do it as proof....

[Saden]

Hmm, couldn't they have taken a powerful telescope and looked at where the astronauts landed? I'm sure if it was real, you'd still be able to see the objects left behind, and maybe even the footsteps.

[Bunglo]

Well scientist still explore the deep sea whether the public finds it interesting or not.

Scientist still explore space whether the public finds it interesting or not too, as well as a bunch of stuff, what's that got to do with anything? People will only find it interesting until scientist discover something. Why was landing on the moon that first time such such a big event... Because that was the only time in history man has EVER walk on a place other than Earth. Why wouldn't it be so interesting the other times we went there? Because, we really didn't discover any thing that the average joe would consider "ground breaking". Scientist get excited with every mission they do because it's their job and they learn something every time a mission is completed, even if it's not a very big discovery. Using that as one of your reasons to "prove" the moon landing was fake isn't very good at all because it doesn't help support your belief. When we send a prob to another planet and the scientist say they found more rocks why would the majority of the population be interested in that?

[Neo]

Eurofighter;92471']dude the whole USA is fake I bet if i fly there they'll laugh at me and say ''haha! youre in china now!''
So prove to me the united states exists!

that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard...

[wfcxairborne]

Well at the time, the U.S. was mad because Russia was winning the race of making a space shuttle that could get to the moon so this could have provoked the U.S. to fake the moon landings, just to be able to say they did it first. Although, they may not have had the technology, at the time, to fake the landings.

[Bunglo]

Well at the time, the U.S. was mad because Russia was winning the race of making a space shuttle that could get to the moon so this could have provoked the U.S. to fake the moon landings, just to be able to say they did it first. Although, they may not have had the technology, at the time, to fake the landings.

Russia had so many failed launch attempts because of the rush, many people died because of it as well. But yes, this is what should be debated, not if the US did or didn't land on the moon because, like I said earlier, we did.

[icecoldbeerer]

Well the USA did it in 7 years because it was a BIG thing then. Nasa isn't quite as popular now.

And Nicholas, where did you get that list? It needs the Boggy Creek Monster. :elvis: "He's alive!"

[scottdog]

Russia had so many failed launch attempts because of the rush, many people died because of it as well. But yes, this is what should be debated, not if the US did or didn't land on the moon because, like I said earlier, we did.

Apparantly the reason russia lost the space race was because the cheif scientist died.


Anyway, I don't really get how or Why anyone would think they were faked, what is there argue against? And if the moon landing were faked, wouldn't it be declassified now? I'm not to sharp on U.S laws regarding declassification, but seeing as how alot of things from around the time of the moon landing are being declassified, wouldn't you think the same would applie for the moon landings?

[NicholasJohnson]

Eurofighter;92471'].
Owh and Nicholas you've forgotten elvis! :p

Damn it!!!


And Nicholas, where did you get that list?

I committed it from memory :icon_cool:

[Lord Justin]

Hmm, couldn't they have taken a powerful telescope and looked at where the astronauts landed? I'm sure if it was real, you'd still be able to see the objects left behind, and maybe even the footsteps.

There are no telescopes powerful enough to see things the size of those we left on the Lunar surface.

My favorite is that there is a laser emitter on the Lunar surface that was planted there to reflect lasers directed from observatories on Earth to measure the distance to the Moon within inches. Let me find ye a link...

some article that describes the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment (http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/ApolloLaser.html)


The first laser ranging retro-reflector was positioned on the Moon in 1969 by the Apollo 11 astronauts. By beaming laser pulses at the reflector from Earth, scientists have been able to determine the round-trip travel time that gives the distance between the two bodies at any time to an accuracy of about 3 centimeters.

And yet people say we never went. Even though we're shining lasers at a device we left there.

Of all the stupid shit going around among self-proclaimed "believers" and those interested in the "paranormal," this has to be the most amusing and the most frustrating. Alien visits? Possible. Bigfoot and Nessie? Who am I to say? Ghosts? Who knows. Maybe. Nostradamus? Illuminati? Vampires? Frankenstein? The Hash-Slinging Slasher? Could be.

But the Moon landing conspiracy is as bad as the 9/11 conspiracy. It's just backed by ignorant claims from people who want attention. Nothing scientific backs it up.

In the wise words of Penn and Teller (or at least Penn): "Bullshit!"

[Edit]: Oh My God...forget everything I said. Based on the photos posted in the Mars Alien thread, I have made a huge discovery.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7901/kraytfu0.jpg

As you can see, not only are there Tusken Raiders on Mars, but also Krayt Dragon skulls! This is amazing and I shall go down in history.

[Saden]

Dude, they better drop Premium pearls.


And we don't have telescopes powerful enough to look at things on the lunar surface? How? Look at the detailed shots we get of the galaxies, and how big we can get them.

Then again, I don't know much about telescopes so fuck me.

[Bunglo]

I can't really comment on how powerful space telescopes are but to see specific things on the moon both the moon and the telescope have to be in the right place at the right time in order to see something you're looking for. The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope is going to be the most powerful telescope (it's actually a digital camera) that's ever been built and all of the images collected by it will be sent to a huge server and it will eventually be a "movie" of the universe. And any one can us it, it'll be like google earth except with space http://www.lsst.org/lsst_home.shtml

[Lord Justin]

I'm not a telescope expert but what I do know is that currently we have no telescopes that can pinpoint the objects on the Moon. Yes Saden, we can see billions of lightyears away with powerful installations like the Hubble Space Telescope, but to see something a few meters wide on a surface hundreds of thousands of miles away is not practical with current Earth-based telescopy.

However, that there are artificial satellites orbiting the Moon and taking photos of its surface...I don't know why we've never heard of them photographing the Apollo landing site. Perhaps because NASA and space buffs have been looking at it since those satellites went up, and nobody really thought to say "HEY! this is proof we went there, dickheads!" So I'm sure they've been photographed and identified and such. In fact, I think I'll examine Google Moon right now just for kicks.

Okay, well apparently it's well photographed. http://www.google.com/moon/

Okay, one of you "we never went there" people. Explain those photographs.

Hey Bunglo, that's pretty interesting, didn't know about that public-access "Google Universe" thing. I can't wait for that telescope to go up :D

[Bunglo]

Hey Bunglo, that's pretty interesting, didn't know about that public-access "Google Universe" thing. I can't wait for that telescope to go up :D

Yer, it's ganna be pretty sweet :icon_cool: It's going to take a little while before we get to use it though :icon_frown:

[Lt. Hanley]

I personally believe it was real. I mean, there shouldn't be a debate that the US landed on the moon, because we did. The debate should be if we faked the video of the moon landing and then later went to the moon so Russia would believe we went there when the video was aired.

I wouldn't be worried about the video being faked. The first lunar EVA was moved up on the spur of the moment. Buzz and Neil were to have a rest period after landing, but instead requested to immediately begin preparing for the EVA. They compromised with an hour meal break and then to begin preparations. As a result of the moved up EVA time, the way the earth was facing the Apollo 11 landing site, or moon, three tracking stations (Parkes and Honeysuckle Creek in Australia, and Goldstone in the US) were able to acquire the TV signals of the first steps on the moon, as well as telemetry and audio. These were relayed to Houston.


here we are then boys. if you have time, i've got this documentary off YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOItuKm5UE

About that "documentary," all I can say is looooolz. Hilarious and clever :D.

I think Charlie Duke's (LMP Apollo 16) words sum up my feelings on the matter: "If we had faked it, why fake it 9 times?" (He included Apollo 8 and Apollo 10. Both just orbited around the moon, with Apollo 10 testing the LEM and bringing it down to around 50,000 ft above the surface.)

Yeah, that LSST is going to be awesome...I think I know where hours of my life will be spent.

[Bunglo]

Yeah, that LSST is going to be awesome...I think I know where hours of my life will be spent.

Hell ya it is, an when they put all of the images together to make it some kind of movie, it's going to be freaking incredible. The best visuals in a movie we've ever seen!

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard...

What? have you been there?
And if so... How do you know it wasn't somewhere else.
It's at least 7 hours flying... how do you know they didnt take you somewhere else!! :eek:

The cooperations are trying to trick you dude! xD

[Bunglo]

Eurofighter;92543']What? have you been there?
And if so... How do you know it wasn't somewhere else.
It's at least 7 hours flying... how do you know they didnt take you somewhere else!! :eek:

The cooperations are trying to trick you dude! xD

I really, REALLY hope you're joking... That or you're INCREDIBLY high...

[enigma]

You forgot the other beliefs:

Chemtrails
Roswell
Yeti
Bad Alien Medicine
Xenu
Nessie
Wal-Mart Detention Centers
Black Helicopters
Alien Hybrid Children
Alien Abuduction
Alien Autopsy
Alien Implants
Alien Orgies/gang rape
Batboy
9/11 done by Jews/USAF/ChimpyMcHitler
Reptilian Conspiracy
Free Masons
Zionists
Illuminati
HOT SEXY CHICKS RULE THE WORLD SECRETLY
Rove Plots to create FEMA death camps administered by Wal-Mart employees
JFK shot by George dubya
Glore
Mind Control
WRIGHT PATTERSON AFB
Pink Elephants
Men in Black
Snake Children
Che Guevara's death in Iraq at the hands of Bush
The Matrix (apparently it was a documentary)
The Papal Conspiracy
the "round earth" hoax
4/15 Truth
Tinfoil hats
Microchips
McCartney is Dead
NWO
Satanic Plot

and......

Dungeons & Dragons Cult


:dunce:

I think that "d4v" agrees with the moon landing being fake:

http://www.redorchestragame.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7124

Do you own a nice fitting fully tailored black suit by any chance?


As for the landings of course they were faked, they filmed the dammed clangers in the same studio!:evil3:

[NicholasJohnson]

Do you own a nice fitting fully tailored black suit by any chance?

Not yet...:toff:

[enigma]

But you sport the crew cut now .... own any really dark glasses?

[SuperSoldier]

I really, REALLY hope you're joking... That or you're INCREDIBLY high...

Of course he's incredibly high he's from Amsterdam and we all know that all they do there is get high :pimp2:

[Bunglo]

Of course he's incredibly high he's from Amsterdam and we all know that all they do there is get high :pimp2:

That's true :beatnik2:

[Hyperion2010]

To the long ago "why havent they gone back" question. HELLO! IT COSTS MONEY! Funding for science is already thin enough as is and the will of the american people is against it. It is also much more practical to send rovers to do the dirtywork now days since they produce better science anyway.

[Fallschirmjäger]

By this logic, if China makes it to the moon, who is to say they won't fake it as well?
Well i dont think they have the capabilities like the u.s dose.



And I think some of you have the China thing mixed up with the possible mission to Mars. Russia wants to work with China to get to Mars by 2020 (again, I highly doubt this) and NASA has yet to reveal their planes for their mission to mars, but it will once again be a race.
Yea thats me,well i dont follow the stories well and it was awhile ago i think.


lads, you do know that there was more than 1 moonlanding, right?
There were 6 american moonlandings from the years 1969 to 1972. I am serious. These facts isn't very well known these days, but that's the truth. People who thinks that Armstrongs journey was the only one, needs to rethink etc.....

Yea seeing info for that now,forgot they went up that many times,or did not know as not ino space stuff hardcore.


Hmm, couldn't they have taken a powerful telescope and looked at where the astronauts landed? I'm sure if it was real, you'd still be able to see the objects left behind, and maybe even the footsteps.
On the first link says something about that check later on.


To the long ago "why havent they gone back" question. HELLO! IT COSTS MONEY! Funding for science is already thin enough as is and the will of the american people is against it. It is also much more practical to send rovers to do the dirtywork now days since they produce better science anyway.
Well i started that im shure,yes right on these things,i did not think of those things



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing


Anyway not read them all properly,but some good stuff on them,Not used to quoting this much,may have been more to do too,but this is enough.like seeing some more things seems likely they did go too.Need to read more again,like not hardcore into this,like more into WW2,music etc...,and that documentry was awhile ago,and not got much into the topic till now i think.
Like i also saw these sept 11th documentries and beleive the govt is behind some sort of cover up,This seems more likely maybe than the moon landings happening or not so.
:sleeping2::sleeping2:

http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm

http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/

[NicholasJohnson]

Well i dont think they have the capabilities like the u.s dose.

What capabilities? Does filming a landing in a studio somehow take more technological prowess than taking an actual trip to the moon? :goofy:

Or do you mean the Chinese are more "capable" of being trustworthy? :greedy:


Like i also saw these sept 11th documentries and beleive the govt is behind some sort of cover up,This seems more likely maybe than the moon landings happening or not so.

Looks like Ice was right. Any skunk apes nearby?

[Bunglo]

Looks like Ice was right. Any skunk apes nearby?

You don't need to see him to know he's there, the smell is a dead give away :disguise: (the emoticon doesn't have anything to do with my post, I just like the beard...)

[Fallschirmjäger]

What capabilities? Does filming a landing in a studio somehow take more technological prowess than taking an actual trip to the moon? :goofy:

Or do you mean the Chinese are more "capable" of being trustworthy? :greedy:

Looks like Ice was right. Any skunk apes nearby?
I mean i thought china did not have as good tv technology and movies to do it as say the u.s did.And skunk apes?,are you calling me that what ever that means.


You don't need to see him to know he's there, the smell is a dead give away :disguise: (the emoticon doesn't have anything to do with my post, I just like the beard...)
Smell?,i smell like a skunk ape 2 times.

[enigma]

In regards to 2020 .... i think some of you are all off the mark.


Its the aim of some Russian businesmen iirc, the Chinese and even the Americans to be back there for 2020 as they want to start mining operations as soon as poss so they can bring back some replacement for fossil fuels which they believe is up there. :p


An intresting theroy into the moonlandings i once read was that they were done to take public opinion off the Vietnam war (american involvment 65 to march 73 iirc) and the moon landings ranged from 69-72 covering the course of the worse part of the war in the public minds no? Maybe there just cranks who have nothing better to do .... but didnt certain Americans bring back up the issue of the spacerace again during a moment of crisis hmmm hmmm

:p

[Xeathos]

I have one question then..

If they were the first on the moon, how did they video tape them walking out of the pod?

[Lt. Hanley]

An intresting theroy into the moonlandings i once read was that they were done to take public opinion off the Vietnam war (american involvment 65 to march 73 iirc) and the moon landings ranged from 69-72 covering the course of the worse part of the war in the public minds no? Maybe there just cranks who have nothing better to do .... but didnt certain Americans bring back up the issue of the spacerace again during a moment of crisis hmmm hmmm

That's all well and good, but those theorists are making much ado about nothing. NASA was making plans to go to the moon as early as late 1959, albeit on a longer timescale. JFK made his speech committing the nation to the goal of reaching the moon before the end of the decade on May 25, 1961. If anything, one can debate whether or not JFK's moon decision was to get attention off of the Bay of Pigs fiasco. The Apollo program was being worked on even before heavy US involvement in Vietnam. The fact that the landings happened when they did is because they met the goal, not to take attention away from Vietnam. Besides, one of the events that drastically changed public opinion, the Tet Offensive in early 68, happened before man had ever ventured to the moon, which happened with Apollo 8 in Dec 68. No one back in the early 60s could have foreseen what was going to be happening in the late 60s.

Also, more was accomplished militarily in Vietnam during the early 70s than at any other time. The mining of Haiphong Harbor and Operation Linebacker I & II brought NV to it's knees and willing to come to the negotiation table.


I have one question then..

If they were the first on the moon, how did they video tape them walking out of the pod?

http://www.clavius.org/mesacam.html

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

Does it even matter if theyve been there or not?
Enough people think that aliens really did crash on area 51, some people think chemtrails are real (for the love of god...) And well maybe americans havent been on the moon. The only reason that could matter and what i could think of is PR. Because if it wasnt real it means most of the space achievements are on russian account (first satellite in space, first animal (dog) in space, first man in space, first woman in space, first spacewalk and first spacecraft on the moon (only a machine) ok i think you get the point :p) and we all know the US is kinda eager to be the best in everything. So first manned moonlanding would look good compared to their achievements :p

[scottdog]

Eurofighter;92751']Does it even matter if theyve been there or not?
Enough people think that aliens really did crash on area 51, some people think chemtrails are real (for the love of god...) And well maybe americans havent been on the moon. The only reason that could matter and what i could think of is PR. Because if it wasnt real it means most of the space achievements are on russian account (first satellite in space, first animal (dog) in space, first man in space, first woman in space, first spacewalk and first spacecraft on the moon (only a machine) ok i think you get the point :p) and we all know the US is kinda eager to be the best in everything. So first manned moonlanding would look good compared to their achievements :p

Yeah, and russia did this on 1/20 of NASA's budet, and America has lost it blueprints to creat the rockets that got to the moon aswell.
One thing that really made me laugh was that America was spending millions of dollars designing a pen that could be used in space, and the Russians, instead, used pencils lol.

[NicholasJohnson]

Just because I can:

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

:P

[icecoldbeerer]

Yeah! Way to help America, Nick!

No, we spend millions on liberty, not pens.

:policeman: of the world.

[Bunglo]

Eurofighter;92751']Does it even matter if theyve been there or not?
Enough people think that aliens really did crash on area 51, some people think chemtrails are real (for the love of god...) And well maybe americans havent been on the moon. The only reason that could matter and what i could think of is PR. Because if it wasnt real it means most of the space achievements are on russian account (first satellite in space, first animal (dog) in space, first man in space, first woman in space, first spacewalk and first spacecraft on the moon (only a machine) ok i think you get the point :p) and we all know the US is kinda eager to be the best in everything. So first manned moonlanding would look good compared to their achievements :p

How can you prove the Russians did this, in fact, how can you prove Russia even exists?!?

[Zengotten]

I say that someone should go and try to fake a moon landing themselves and if they can make one that is indistinguishable to the real pictures and footage then I might beleive it.

[enigma]

In regards to the pencils ... i believe this was on QI. Its sort of a myth, yea you can use pencils in space but what happens when they snap or you need to sharpen them ... not to mention the small ammounts of graphite dust which comes off them ... imagine all that crap floating around getting stuck in stuff :p

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

How can you prove the Russians did this, in fact, how can you prove Russia even exists?!?

why do you try to steal my joke?

[enigma]

In Russia, Jokes steal you!

[Saden]

I think it was in Soviet Russia :P

[Bunglo]

Eurofighter;92783']why do you try to steal my joke?

I'm high...http://www.nobitching.com/board/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif

[enigma]

I think it was in Soviet Russia :P

I modernised it :joker:

[2ltben]

Smirnov just used to say "Russia" before the Berlin Wall fell.

[Schrem [506th PIR]]

They are definetly fake........

[Saden]

Was World War Two faked?

[chip360]

I'm Fake. Im serious, I dont exist, Prove me wrong. Prove me Right.

Exactly.

-D "D (A one Eyed smiley Taking a dump on a Picasso Smiley)



and a picture of a midget dressed like John Hancock... I dont know why that got italicized, really I dont.

https://s19384.gridserver.com/images/John%20Hancock%20Costume%2018458.jpg

lmao, how dirty

[icecoldbeerer]

How do I know everyone is not a bionic robot out to kill me, the last human on earth?

I dont.

[[FFTF]Eurofighter]

Where do babies come from?

[2ltben]

The moon landings were every bit as fake as the Holocaust.




Not sure how to interpret that, are you? ;)