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Bunglo
06-25-2009, 10:47 PM
Just some screens showing off some of our foliage ingame. We have built up a nice catalog of foliage to date which should make for some very interesting gameplay.
The 3rd last pick shows the root system that all trees have. We still have to get the lighting system functioning correctly (hence the mountains in the distaince to allow us to get expected results).
RonanHayes
07-07-2009, 02:03 PM
Just an update on some Grass and Foliage we have been developing.
Althalus28
07-07-2009, 02:16 PM
WOW......that is brilliant.....what tank is that i see in the background?
Also i assume the grass with crush underfoot?
Guardian
07-07-2009, 06:15 PM
That looks great. More then great.
Byron
07-07-2009, 08:40 PM
I must say this game is coming along quite well
smith1215
07-07-2009, 08:53 PM
Beautiful!!!
Onearmy
07-07-2009, 09:02 PM
The 4th pic made me giggle like a high school girl.
Guardian
07-07-2009, 09:14 PM
What are those lines in 1,2,4,5,6.
Bunglo
07-07-2009, 09:36 PM
What are those lines in 1,2,4,5,6.
I don't know what they are but they appear when ever I use the hi-res screenshot command within the sandbox 2 editor. I believe it has something to do with the way the editor takes the screenshot, it basically "stitches" the screen together for the most amount of detail.
It could also have something to do with the sun rays, the hi-res screenshot command removes them for what ever reason... although screenshot 4 isn't hires so it could just be the lighting.
Guardian
07-07-2009, 11:18 PM
Thanks for answering so quickly. It scared me for a second. Everything is great.
Falco
07-08-2009, 02:16 AM
Awsome pictures! its coming really well, keep it up team :)
Crackerdamus101
07-08-2009, 04:20 AM
these are more than orgasmic :D
AlManiak
07-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Pure hotness!
RonanHayes
07-08-2009, 09:19 AM
these are more than orgasmic :D
Now that's just silly. You might want to consider getting out a little more.
WOW......that is brilliant.....what tank is that i see in the background?
Also i assume the grass with crush underfoot?
Rivet, that tank looks like a Churchill tank. And that last photo looked amazingly real! Well done, really amazing job Ronan! (And the 1944 team!)
RonanHayes
07-08-2009, 09:44 AM
This is all Troy's work, the buildings were done by Pual, Bill, Troy, Craig, Jan and many others.
This is all Troy's work, the buildings were done by Pual, Bill, Troy, Craig, Jan and many others.
Well a big Well-done to all of you!!! Amazing detail.
(Ronan was I right about the tank? I am trying to see the Churchill matches the tank in the pic, its not a perfect match but its closer then any other tank.)
EDIT* Actually from a closer look, it matches the Cromwell aswell. So its either the Churchill or Cromwell.
Althalus28
07-08-2009, 01:43 PM
Its definitely hard to tell, you cant see wether the turret has a flat front at this angle...maybe a comet?
*edit* Probably not the barrel doesn't look long enough, ha ha I'm not good at this.. :book:, Ronan?
RonanHayes
07-08-2009, 01:50 PM
I'm not going to comment on this one, it's fun watching everyone guess...
Althalus28
07-08-2009, 01:53 PM
Haha curse you Ronan! :daisy: just kidding, great job on it though....I'm gonna say Comet or Cromwell. Anyone else prove me wrong?
Bullseye
07-08-2009, 03:03 PM
The grass looks brilliant and is coming along very nice.
As for the tank I would say it's a cromwell.
Comparing the tank to these two pictures it looks very much like a cromwell.
Cromwell
http://www.aaamodels.co.uk/List_Pics/HAT/AF_99013_CROMWELL.JPG
Comet
http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/Equipment/Armour/Comet.jpg
The 11th Armoured Division was the first to receive the new tanks in December 1944 and the only division to be completely refitted by the end of the war.
Sorry but it cant be the Comet.
Process of elimination. It cant be the Sherman A3 or A4 since thats not the turret. It chassis is too big to be the Stuart light tank. Again, cant be the Sherman Firefly either because of the turret.
Not the M-10 tank killer either. It isnt the Valintine either. Not a Spigot or anything. Leaves us with two options, the Cromwell or the Churchill.
BUT, if you look closley at the end of the turret there is this hump, or box. That matches the Churchill, so I am going with that. But there is another famouse tank with a hump like that, and thats the Tiger but, the main cannon doesnt match the tiger's. So I am left with the Churchill.
The Cromwell doesnt have that squarish box coming out of its turret in the back.
Argh I am stumped, now I look at it and I think that its less and less the churchill because the churchills turret is positioned more to the middle of the body then the front, and here we see that the turret is positioned way in the front of the body. But it is still hard for me to believe that the tank we see is the Cromwell.
I guess Ill keeep looking at the picture and compare it to other tanks.....For now, I still have faith that it is the Churchill.
Ive looked again....and again (and again and again and again) and maybe a few more times. Each time I think its somthing else, I see it isnt.
I am now think that it is a Churchill Flame Thrower....or maybe the lighting is doing somthing to the pic and that isnt really a stump in the back.
Ronan can we get a hint?
Althalus28
07-08-2009, 03:58 PM
I always thought the Churchill had a very centered turret. I'm not sure about the flame Churchill, you'd think the fuel tank would be much more prominent. Maybe a variation of a Cromwell? How many variations are there?
Is that Gun longer than the Hull? I thought Cromwell's guns stopped right at the edge of the hull...
It does have a very centered hull. Thats why I am stumped. I just really dont think that it is the Cromwell.
Wundai
07-08-2009, 07:35 PM
Tank looks German to me actually..
Btw beautiful shots!
I hope the System Requirements earlier discussed are still in place for this game?
I mean visually it looks better than Crysis to me.?(yes, yes this keeps being brought up in update-threads I know)
Althalus28
07-09-2009, 07:05 AM
Tank looks German to me actually..
That puts a spanner in the works Yono, maybe its not an Allied tank at all....:surprised:
Wundai please tell us why you think it is? This may be interesting, I still think for sure it is an Allied tank...but which?
Okay Ronan can you tell us one thing? Is it British, American or German?
Bunglo
07-10-2009, 04:21 AM
It's a British tank :scholar:
Althalus28
07-10-2009, 05:40 AM
Yono take a look at the British MkII Valentine, i think thats it, I'm not certain....but im pretty sure
Actually i really dunno...
So now we have 3 main contenders
1. Cromwell
2. Churchill
3. Valintine
Rivet, I have been looking at some valentine pictures for some time now. There are some pics that match the photo, and some that dont.
But it may be the valentine. I am going to see if I can find some info if they were used in Normandy.
EDIT* Well after some searching, all that I have found out is by 1944 the Valentine was ALMOST entirley out of use, and was being replaced by the Churchill's. So there is a chance that it was in the landings, but only in a very small number.
I am going to keep searching later tonight.
Althalus28
07-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Damn, I almost thought i had it :pleased:, the box in most Valentines seemed to be not perfectly square, but it does have that box at least, which is more than what the Cromwell has.
Im just concerned about the gun on the tank, is it just me or does it fan out like the Cromwell's, the Valentine has a non-flaring barrel, no?
Well if that is the case, it must be the Churchill.
I still have a feeling that it is the Churchill even though the turret isnt centered. Like you say, the valentine (according to most photo's) has a barrel that is straight without getting bigger or smaller.
So I think it is the Churchill after all.
Bunglo
07-10-2009, 08:10 PM
You guys have to remember that the perspective of the shot makes it look as it does. I took it at ground level as if you were lying on your stomach. To end all of this, the tank is the Cromwell :P
:O I was wrong. I was wrong all along. I guess I better brush-up with my tanks :(
Althalus28
07-11-2009, 02:34 AM
Ha ha ha and we were getting all exotic! Ha Ha Ahh well, it was fun while it lasted
Wundai
07-11-2009, 09:53 AM
Darn its British :p
Yea that sure was fun. Gave me somthing to think about :P Can we get another difficult picture to try and see what it is? lol.
Good job Rivet btw, you were right all along.
Althalus28
07-11-2009, 02:33 PM
Haha not quite, I was like you i couldn't quite see what it was, my eyes told me one thing, my head another...You sure do like your Churchills aye? :laugh3:
I think there was a thread called "guess the weapon" that went on for ages but i think its dead now...Had some crazy stuff, I didnt even attempt it, we should have one were you have to guess the tank but from a strange angle! :scholar:
Well I dont love the Churchill. But my eye's were screaming "CHURCHILL!" and my brain "Meh-not sure" lol.
Althalus28
07-12-2009, 12:45 AM
hahaha Churchill, Cromwell, Comet.....All start with "C", close enough i say lol
The Comet does look extremely similar to the tank in the picture, but it arrived to late to be in the Normandy landings. Too bad, it could have saved many lives. I dont get why the allied forces (excpet for Russia) were so slow in building a tank that could actually match a German heavy tank and beat in 1v1.
Althalus28
07-12-2009, 10:59 AM
Well I think they thought the Sherman and Cromwell would be all the support they would need i guess, Both sides thought they were far superior than the other...The Allies didnt have much experience versing Axis armor, russia did though so i guess thats why they prioritized on better tanks.
The Allies had enough experience to understand that they had tank's that were worthless.
France-for the British
Africa- Americans and British
Italy- Americans and British
In all those theaters the Allied tanks were murdered. They still could have built a tank that could match the Germans in much bigger numbers.
Althalus28
07-13-2009, 08:43 AM
Yeah true, I'm just throwing suggestions up in the air. If i was the Allied Commander I'd give ya an answer, but I'm not...lol
I went to france about a year ago. I stumbled upon a group of people and apperantly, one of them was a 1 star general during D-day and another was a 3 star general. I forgot there names :(
Althalus28
07-13-2009, 10:33 AM
What nationality? did you talk to them about ww2 or were they a bit apprehensive about it?
Hells Angel
07-13-2009, 11:01 AM
Guys this is off-topic for this thread. Please feel free to create another thread under the correct section otherwise others may think this thread is being updated with relevent info :)
Cheers,
Yea sorry, just to answer Rivet, they were American. If you have Skype or somthing tell me and we can talk about it.
So now back to the topic!
ToonarmY
07-13-2009, 03:12 PM
Wow that looks amazing, crawling through the long grass popping up with a rifle fun times
frag786
07-13-2009, 07:39 PM
That shot with the tank is crazy. Progress is looking great guys.
Is there a purpose to the tree's root system?
monstercam
07-14-2009, 01:36 AM
It looks natural, not like you forced the placement of things, nice.
Bunglo
07-14-2009, 02:20 AM
Is there a purpose to the tree's root system?
When the woods are getting the crap shelled out of them, it'll add a lot more to the scene with once standing trees knocked over/blown into the sky, root system and all.
ToonarmY
07-14-2009, 04:45 PM
When the woods are getting the crap shelled out of them, it'll add a lot more to the scene with once standing trees knocked over/blown into the sky, root system and all.
Will this not increase further needs for mega computers to run this game??
RonanHayes
07-14-2009, 06:04 PM
Will this not increase further needs for mega computers to run this game??
No because they are rarely seen, and thus get culled instantly. But for those instances where a tank or explosion would expose the root we wanted there to be a valid root structure.
There is nothing worse in games that go that extra mile with details just to have the illusion broke because something was missing.
So when you uproot a tree you will see a root structure as you would expect. If you never uproot a tree then it gets culled instantly and will have no impact on performance.
ToonarmY
07-15-2009, 01:10 AM
No because they are rarely seen, and thus get culled instantly. But for those instances where a tank or explosion would expose the root we wanted there to be a valid root structure.
There is nothing worse in games that go that extra mile with details just to have the illusion broke because something was missing.
So when you uproot a tree you will see a root structure as you would expect. If you never uproot a tree then it gets culled instantly and will have no impact on performance.
Cool nice to see this is being taken into account, nothing worse than a pretty game with features you probably wouldn't even notice causing it to run poorly
Fozzy The Bear
07-16-2009, 08:30 PM
I went to france about a year ago. I stumbled upon a group of people and apperantly, one of them was a 1 star general during D-day and another was a 3 star general. I forgot there names :(
I think they were pulling your leg. You know how old it would make them if they were a "1 star or 3 star general"? I know a guy that was a captain of the 755th Tank Battalion in Italy during 1945. Guess what? he is 90 years old now. And a captain is a junior officer in the U.S. Army. So if you really met a general, they would be over a 100 years old.
In conclusion, you probably don't understand rank very well or you misunderstood them.
RonanHayes
07-16-2009, 11:25 PM
They may not have been a General during WW2 but went onto be Career Soldier after the war.
Generals nowadays are pretty old because their are no wars and thus no need to replace them. During WW2 they needed lots of generals because of deaths and the fact that the war was huge.
Uberslug
07-17-2009, 03:30 AM
I haven't been here in over a year I think, but are you officially moving over to the Crysis engine, or is it just a placeholder?
I think they were pulling your leg. You know how old it would make them if they were a "1 star or 3 star general"? I know a guy that was a captain of the 755th Tank Battalion in Italy during 1945. Guess what? he is 90 years old now. And a captain is a junior officer in the U.S. Army. So if you really met a general, they would be over a 100 years old.
In conclusion, you probably don't understand rank very well or you misunderstood them.
Nope I understood him. He said he was a Brigadier General during the landing's, which I beilieve is a 1 start General, (saying he was one of the youngest).
The other who went on to become 5 star said he only got that rank after he kept serving.
The president of Norwich Military Academy was there too. I got all 3 of there signatures :P It was quite a group....
DavidUpton
07-17-2009, 03:00 PM
Let's stay on topic. If you want to talk about generals then use PM or create a new thread in the off topic section.
Fozzy The Bear
07-18-2009, 09:33 AM
Nope I understood him. He said he was a Brigadier General during the landing's, which I beilieve is a 1 start General, (saying he was one of the youngest).
The other who went on to become 5 star said he only got that rank after he kept serving.
The president of Norwich Military Academy was there too. I got all 3 of there signatures :P It was quite a group....
If that were true, which it isn't, then it would make them the same age as Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, Bradley, and the others. They would have been well over 100.
Now if they are what Ronan says about "being career soldiers" and where junior officers at the time of the landings, then yes, it's believable.
Let's stay on topic. If you want to talk about generals then use PM or create a new thread in the off topic section.
Oh, I'm sorry. Lets just sit here and fill this whole thread up with "wow" that looks "amazing."
Hells Angel
07-18-2009, 01:34 PM
No lets let this thread fill up with relevent information for people actually read the titles of the threads and commenting. Now please move this conversation to another thread and not contine it in this one.
Thank you,
FredrikStertman
07-18-2009, 07:01 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. Lets just sit here and fill this whole thread up with "wow" that looks "amazing."
???
If you dont have anything constructive to say about the update and dont wanna say - wow that looks amazing - then dont say anything at all.. if you wanna tell him that he lies aabout the guys he met then make a new thread about it..
dont act stupid and talk down to david like that.. respect the forum rules..
DavidUpton
07-19-2009, 12:53 AM
Oh, I'm sorry. Lets just sit here and fill this whole thread up with "wow" that looks "amazing."
That kind of attitude isn't going to get you very far here.
Lucan
07-21-2009, 05:22 AM
If that were true, which it isn't, then it would make them the same age as Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, Bradley, and the others. They would have been well over 100.
Now if they are what Ronan says about "being career soldiers" and where junior officers at the time of the landings, then yes, it's believable.
Oh, I'm sorry. Lets just sit here and fill this whole thread up with "wow" that looks "amazing."
Or you could... you know.. give constructive criticism? Jesus, what an idea! Blasphemy, amirite?
Anyway, AWESOME pictures, but I think the grass is actually too green. I mean, it just looks too... fresh.
Guardian
07-21-2009, 06:02 AM
It's the 1940's grass just started growing around then. I think it looks great either way.
Hell's High
07-21-2009, 08:32 AM
Oh my god! What awesome vegetation! I can see me cutting down a squad of German humpin it through the field of grass and them just dropping and dissapearing into it.
Fallschirmjäger
07-24-2009, 11:16 AM
Late on this,but its looking realy realy good.
Glyndwr
07-24-2009, 01:15 PM
I am truly impressed with these screenshots!
DavidUpton
07-31-2009, 02:37 PM
Moved a few posts to their own thread to prevent the Grass and Foliage thread from going even further off topic and becoming a general Q & A thread.
Lucan
08-03-2009, 05:41 AM
Oh my god! What awesome vegetation! I can see me cutting down a squad of German humpin it through the field of grass and them just dropping and dissapearing into it.
Bra-vo. Bra-vo.
Timblesink
08-03-2009, 09:10 AM
It's the 1940's grass just started growing around then.
This made me lol until my stomach hurt.
monstercam
08-03-2009, 12:09 PM
It's the 1940's grass just started growing around then.
Dude you don't even know how true this statement is.*sarcasm*
Urbes
08-05-2009, 01:22 AM
hahaha omg:D
Hell's High
08-06-2009, 07:41 PM
Bra-vo. Bra-vo.
Wuh?
TankGun
08-06-2009, 11:33 PM
AMAZING, JUST AMAZING. I can not wait to be marching in that or crawling for dear life:laugh2:. This is truly some amazing work you are doing for this game and every bit you show makes us know this game is alive even more ^_^
Captain Miller
08-07-2009, 09:49 PM
Hmm... Too green?
I wouldn't say so.
I've been in happy fields before, and that's a very similar colour.
We just don't have many happy fields anymore.
Now, if you want something eerily green...
http://www.fileshack.com/images/finclude/images/1210bg_grass.jpg
I'd make some snide comment about the uncanny valley, but it's not even trying to be close.
As for these: the last picture excites me. It actually looks like... the ground! With foliage and stuff! Come on guys, I see SPECULAR REFLECTIONS ON THOSE LEAVES.
We've come so far in the past few years... http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/549/549566/tom-clancys-ghost-recon-2-20040920040451412.jpg
Urbes
08-11-2009, 11:05 PM
That is some sarcastic stuff:D I hope its gonna be like Brother in arms hells highway. That grass is beautifull in a happy way ineed:)
Flyerborn
08-20-2009, 06:07 AM
Wow, Thats an amazing step up from any war-game i've played! Great job!
smith1215
08-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Ah, the colors of summer.
MajorMike
08-25-2009, 08:23 AM
"wow" that looks "amazing"
in all seriousness (:
Haven't checked the forums for ages. Those pics look stunning!
Grabigel
09-28-2009, 09:41 PM
This looks awesome, the background though.. is it just a back drop or something?
TankGun
09-29-2009, 05:42 AM
Just an update on some Grass and Foliage we have been developing.
It doesn't matter its damn fantastic and amazing, keep it up :)
I'm one to be critical, but I will try my hardest to refrain from any critical comments.
First off, amazing work! These are the best-looking rendered graphics I've seen to date... by far! What gets me is that everything looks so realistic, as it would if I were standing in that field amongst the sun light and trees.
Secondly and more critically. I understand that these are only in-development works. However, I do notice that on one of the screenshots, frames per second is displayed at around 37FPS. Now, I do understand that the final product may not look as pretty as these screenshots, but what kind of performance are we looking at here to run these sequences in the retail version? This is just the terrain and haven't added in any weather effects, models, lighting off models, shadows, etc.
I guess what I'm addressing is... what is your ability of you and your team, Ronan, get this simulation to look like this and still provide adequate performance for the end consumer? I'm not trying to split hairs, but only trying to get an idea of what to expect upon release.
TheSavior111
12-28-2009, 03:39 PM
its a panzer for God's sake
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